Code,401001
Subject,Pat Stanzel
Date,6/15/2010
Interviewer,Michelle Epps
Abstract,"Pat Stanzel is a lifelong Cleveland resident. She was a""Rosie the Riveter"" during World War II. She discusses her time working as the only female in various research labs after the war. After she married she went on to teach and was a teacher at a number of schools in Cleveland. During the busing program designed to desegregate the Cleveland schools, the teaching staff was desegregated first and she was transferred to a school on the east side where she was the only white teacher. She discusses the damage done to communities by the busing program."
Special Notes,
minutes:,0:53:48
0,"Introduction, born in Youngstown, Ohio."
1,Mother and father died when she was young. Was living in the Cleveland Christian Home and then lived with her stepfather.
2,Mother remarried but put her and her sister in the Cleveland Christian Home. Started working when she was 16 years old after running away from home.
3,"Sister adopted, but she ran away and worked at General Bagging Corporation during the summer. Worked as a Riveter the following summer at J.C. Verdon Company on Lexing Avenue."
4,"Discusses male harassment of female employees. Discusses ""bucker"" partner. Worked 64 hours a week."
5,Discusses wages of the job and states the men were paid more and some of the women resented that.
6,"Worked after school at the General bagging corporation, worked 6 hours a day and 8 hours on Saturday. Eventually went on to work at Dupont with DDT."
7,"Discusses dangers of DDT and the death of her supervisor. Also, researched glass at Dupont."
8,Dupont worked on the Manhattan project while she was working at Dupont and recollects an incident when she was stopped by a masked security guard.
9,"Discusses the relationship between the other ""Rosies."" Sing while working. Recounts being harassed by male coworkers."
10,The harassment by male coworkers scared the women and parents threatened to pull their female children from working and the company set up a separate room for the women.
11,Rosies spoke among themselves about male harassment. The Rosie's were high school age while their coworkers were predominantly older.
12,No direct supervision and recounts an accident in which a coworker died from the result of a prank.
13,Worked at Dupont during college and at the end of the war but she retained her position even after the war ended.
14,Discusses Dupont moving to Delaware but decided not to move even though she was offered a position. Attended Ohio State University.
15,"Describes working in the lab at Dupont, specifically weighing with copper flakes."
16,Discusses working in research at Dupont for pilot programs. She was the only woman working in the lab.
17,"Men were more respectful at Dupont. Discusses being the only female in the lab and how she replaced a man who left to enter the service. The young man received more than her, and he managed to get her a pay raise a month later."
18,Discusses Dupont as a responsible company and took care of it's employees.
19,Worked at Dupont long enough to accumulate vacation time and asked to work through so she could afford a record player.
20,"Worked at B.F. Goodrich in Brecksville, Ohio after Dupont. Again was the only woman in the lab again. Worked on research to improve rubber."
21,Discusses how there were several labs all doing different research.
22,"Her position was unique at B.F. Goodrich and is unclear whether her male coworkers made more. Her friends thought of her as a ""geek."""
23,Describes the work her friends were doing at the same time; mainly office work and many married young.
24,"Discusses the transition from lab worker to teacher, last lab she worked in was the NACA (now NASA) lab."
25,Discusses her time at Diamond Alkali writing reports and giving her judgment assessing whether the company would benefit from certain purchases.
26,Was the only woman at Diamond Alkali with her type of job. Took her first year earnings to go back to college to finish her degree.
27,Finished at Baldwin Wallace and began teaching at Nathaniel Hawthorne as a science teacher. Mentions teacher shortage in the Cleveland school system.
28,Discusses honoring recess while other teachers didn't. Her class was integrated before it was required.
29,Important for the children for the teacher to know their name and something about them. Began teaching in 1959 and taught at Hawthorne for a year and a half.
30,Left teaching after her son was born. When he turned five she returned to teaching after the school board asked her to return.  Worked at a school for children with high IQs.
31,"Cleveland decides to go on one year graduation instead of two and discusses the difficulties it caused. Was transferred to George Washington, a predominantly all white school."
32,"Explains the differences between the two schools. Transferred again, this time to Riverside."
33,Desegregation of schools which began with teachers first. She was transferred to the east side to Miles Standish where she was the only white teacher.
34,"Desegregation didn't bother her, the distance and the drive during the bad weather was what was bothersome. She enjoyed the black students and thought they were great students."
35,Bothered by the reputation of black schools and would tell people that the schools weren't bad and had great teachers.
36,Discusses her time at NACA and had to have the highest security rating. FBI checked out all her friends to see if she could keep secrets. She was the only female working in her department.
37,"Discusses how her husband couldn't get clearance because he had German relatives. Talks about plane ""bucket blades."""
38,"Discusses experiments with ""bucket blades."""
39,Was working at NACA during 1950/51. Discusses how she came to work in labs.
40,Her guidance counselor found her a job at General Bagging Corporation and eventually a scholarship at Ohio State. Recounts how she got the job at NASA.
41,"Was given a GS-5 rating, which was an Engineer rating even though she was not a college graduate."
42,Recorder paused per request of the interviewee. Discusses psycho tron in the basement of NASA in which cancer patience were given last ditch treatments with the psycho tron.
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44,Discusses school desegregation of schools and how a judge with no children made decision to desegregate the schools with busing.
45,Talks about black parents who could afford it removed their children from the schools to avoid busing.
46,The people who could afford to leave the area did to avoid busing or would falsify addresses to attend schools in closer communities.
47,The problem wasn't desegregation it was the busing. Children were taken away from the area with wasteful busing.
48,"The damage of the busing has been done, the communities were broken up because people chose to move because of busing."
49,Discusses what she did after retirement and began selling Avon.
50,"Volunteered with a group called Village 100 making quilts and cancer pads, etc."
51,Tutors during the school year and taking computer lessons. Was on the board of her condominium.
52,Discusses her relationship with her sister. Her sister was adopted by a high school teacher who was single but died of cancer.
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