Code,999090
Subject,Timothy Daley
Date,8/12/2011
Interviewer,Heidi Fearing
Abstract,"Timothy Daley, Executive Director at Cuyahoga County Soldiers' and Sailors' Monument, describes his involvement with the monument, beginning with his time as a volunteer. He passionately describes the monument's architectural details and what they symbolize. He explains why the current location of the monument was chosen and describes its controversial history. In addition, he provides insight as to the future plans for the monument in terms of its maintenance and restoration.  "
Tags,"Soldiers and Sailors Monument, Public Square, landscape, architecture, monuments, restoration"
Special Notes,
Minutes:,37:19:00
0,"recording starts with Daley talking about a book (in front of them at the interview) that a lawyer wrote (Gleason, an attorney) - book about the monument. 400 pages on legal battle. Publisher putting pressure on him to get it out, so not much on monument. "
1,"Interviewer states where they are (200 Public Square), and the  interview is with Tim Daley, etc. Tim's background. Lifelong CLE. John Hay HS. CSU 1985-90. Masters at John Carroll (History 2008). Why stay in CLE? CLE is wonderful community with all the cultural and educational opportunities."
2,"Daley had opportunity/job at Clerk of Courts Office before he got his degree, that's why he stayed. Full time job. School at night to complete undergrad degree. What other historical organizations have you worked/volunteered for, and what led to you to Soldiers and Sailors Monument? Various ones. Previous Executive Director of CLE Masonic Library. Through that learned various archiving and museum techniques, day to day skill. Neil Evans created 501c(3) for monument organization."
3,"Began volunteering as monument docents in 2002. Daley and wife became program directors for various programs. Applied for director 3.5  years ago, got the job when 1st choice left job after 6 months. Sept. 2008.Learn new things about the monument? Every day. Detail is in everything you see.  Soiled (architect) did not think traditional form of architecture was appropriate and created new form of architecture based upon tools and symbols of military. "
4,"Detail carried out in stonework, stained glass windows, etc. Capping on column is cartridge pouches vs. traditional ionic, Doric, etc. design. "
5,"Legal battles/protect re: placement at Public Square (SE corner of Public Square). Originally monument proposed at a meeting at the  Cuyahoga County Veterans and took several years  to gain momentum. Late 1880s original put in center of center of Public Square at intersection of Superior and Ontario, but later required to be moved southeast quad because street opened. Prior to that a statue of Oliver Hazard Perry, the Hero of the Battle of Lake Erie was there. In the Center of Public Erie. Dedicated in 1860. "
6,"Originally State of Ohio and local government were pro-monument, (& location) but things (and elections) changed the mindset. Some landowner's objected, esp. Williamson Brothers owned land adjacent to square. Note that they also had railroad interests and wanted railway lines to eventually come into public square area. Legal question centered around state vs. city rights. Could state tell city they had to build monument when the city owned the land (and were by this point against building it)?."
7,"Series of five lawsuits. Went up to federal (Supreme Court), and ruled in favor of building monument because it was in the public's interest. Original cost of lawsuit(s) was $1800 (est.). Committee fought hard because they were soldiers themselves. (Monument committee President) Gleason (who wrote book about the monument in 1894/mentioned earlier in interview). Likens court battle to civil war battle. "
8,"Gleason likens it to battle of Appomattox, cost us $1800 but such is the cost of war. Took to heart need to honor the fallen and living comrades. Specific elements of the statue? Levi Scofield history. "
9,"Levi Scofield, architect, would not accept pay for working on the monument (spent 12  years of his life working on it). Monument seen in two pieces. Outside depicts the horrific nature of war. Four military units depicted starting with Navy on the South side, and going counterclockwise, you see the artillery the infantry and the Calvary. "
10,"Violence escalates as you go around the Monument (from Navy, counterclockwise). Two Confederate soldiers are depicted on  Calvary unit side: one is being shot at point-blank range, and other is a officer trying to rally his troops with a broken standard. Scofield asked why he put Confederates on the statue  - he said so that future generations would know what they and their flag looked like. Inside of monument dedicated to service, military and civilian, that served to unify the Union. "
11,"Inside is brilliant colors (2 million dollar renovation). Blue in ceiling (Verde blue) usually reserved for garments of Virgin Mary (at the time of the Renaissance). Spoke to CLE Museum of Art (John Baughman) interpreted the blue to represent divine providence and the restoration of the Union. Outside proportions are 1/3 larger than like and consider ""heroic proportions. "
12,"Granite shaft, 30 battles represented (by the bands). 125' tall shaft. Top is the 15' Figure of Liberty. Actually Mrs. Scofield who modeled for it. On inside is a bronze plaque for women (10) who served in the Northern Ohio Sanitary Commission, the forerunner of the American Red Cross. It's  estimated to have sent through $975,000 dollars worth of medical supplies in the course of the 4 year war. Main organizer/leader was Rebecca Rouse (b 1799) lived in Conn., married veteran of War of 1812,  and came to Ohio as a missionary in 1830s (religious). Rouse was president the in Washing Society, Dorchester Society, Temperance society, etc. When they needed someone to organize women, she was it. "
13,"Inside: panel of famous Ohio generals and wartime governors. Garfield, Hays, and General McClellan. North side panel depicts the Emancipation Proclamation and (more importantly) the Law of 1863 that allowed former slaves to fight for union."
14,"Last panel on East side. Lincoln at City Point, going into Grant's Headquarters. Custer, Grant, Sherman on panel. Standing directly behind Lincoln is his son, Robert Todd Lincoln, who served on this staff. On Southside above doorway is a bust of Levi Scofield. Was not going to put his bust in there until he was ""ordered"" to do so. He get's last laugh. Does not have himself in uniform although he was a Caption in the military. Shows himself in artisan clothing and no nameplate, but implements and tools of art and architecture instead."
15,Inside north side: General Garnet (highest ranking officer from Cuyahoga County). 6 additional bust on interior chosen by vets to be honored.
16,"Stained glass windows - 14 total. Artists not known, but thought to have worked under Tiffany. Marble is Sienna marble, but was painted by the Victorians. "
17,"Radiator covers. Originally had DC electric current, then steam, now Finn tubes. Radiator covers perforated with military emblems. Talks of details in radiator covers. "
18,Systems of symbols throughout. First if not only Civil War monument to depict women. Flower beds (original)
19,"Flowerbeds downsized due to cost, ultimately. Mentions Women's relief fund and GAR.Grand Army Republic bed still maintained today and 3 others. 8 beds."
20,"8 badges retained today, and use 16,000 flowers. Economics play a role in cutting back the number and size of flower beds. Looking at historic photographs you see this pattern throughout esp. a the start of WWI, WWII, etc. Spend 2 weeks per year just planting. Labor intensive. Still use same flowers used in to try to maintain link with tradition. But sometimes challenges require us to make slight adjustments."
21,"Opening day of monument: July 4th, 1894. 5 mile parade, 600 different units, 6,000 troops. Songs, poetry, light show, concert. Even most disgruntled person had to admit to having a good time. "
22,"Favorite story? Mascot of one of army regiments. Book: Loyal Heart. Two dogs. Most famous from Ohio was Harvey, a mixed bull terrier. Harvey's owner gave him a silver collar that read ""I'm Captain Stern's dog, whose dog are you?"""
23,"Harvey so well loved by vets that they commissioned a formal oil 5' x 5' portrait/painting in a gilt frame, and during reunions (after Harvey died) would bring out dog's painting to have their photo made with it. Stern served in 104th unit in Ohio and is on the wall inside the monument. Other favorite story involves women of the Ohio Sanitary Commission (could move mountains). Raised funds. "
24,"State fair held by Sanitary Commission ladies in Chicago (Ohio was invited to attend). Sort of like a state fair Decided to put one on in CLE to help with War Relief. Held fair in CLE in Feb, 1864, and built a building on Public Square to house the festivities. "
25,"Women secured other buildings for the fair (to eliminate competition). Raised $100,000 ($78,000 profit). What happened to the building? City of Pittsburgh purchased the building for $10,000 -  it was dismantled piece by piece and transported to Pittsburgh for their Sanitary Fair in May, 1864. "
26,"Used $78,000 profit after the war was over to assist veterans. Something Clevelanders don't know? Tunnels underneath monument - rumors are that they are connected to the Old Stone Church or Terminal Tower or part of the Underground Railroad. All untrue. "
27,"Tunnel tours - cannot do it now due to new ventilation system, but assessing to see if they can bring it back. Renovation - restored a jewel of Victorian Architecture. Neil Evans, current president of the Monument Board, is gentleman most responsible for restoration efforts. Neil's vision 10 years ago. Also credit to artisans and tradesmen who worked on restoration. Also county architect. Went above and beyond. "
28,"Interviewer goes over Daley's history again: When did you graduate Cleveland State? December, 1990. Graduate degree from John Carroll (May 2008). Grew up on West Side of CLE. Lives on East side now. "
29,"Monument is County owned (Cuyahoga County). General funding thru Cuyahoga funding general fund. County put in $750,000 of the $2,000,000 renovation. State grants, national park service, and various public and private individuals. "
30,Current list of things they'd like to do. Trying to develop volunteer base to do some things.
31,"Daley is supporter of collaboration. Partnered with several other agencies (lists some of them). Education is a big issue. Schools can no longer afford to bring kids to them, so they are developing a power point to take the info to the kids. 20 ""talks"" a year, 79 organized tours last year. "
32,How can we engage the community? Civil War encampments (have a table). Will be open Sept. 11th as part of the memorial to 9/11.
33,"Figure of African American in the Navy grouping (outside). Navy was integrated. Two African Americans depicted on the statue - one in the Navy, one in the Emancipation Proclamation panel. Are there any photographs of the Parade of 1894 (dedication of the monument)? Yes, of the opening, not sure if there are any of the parade. "
34,"Superior Ave part of GAR Highway. Trying to get signage on road for recognition of Civil War issues. Chosen as a parade path (opening 1864) due to  routing issues, not sure any other significance. "
35,"1901 Reunion. Last GAR Reunion held in CLE in 1940s, there were 3 Vets riding in open air cars. Newspaper statement: shocked one vet was out of uniform, didn't have hat on, using it to wave at everybody. "
36,"Believes that other parades for other wars likely had Civil War vets participating and were honored. Question: Is the Commission involved in any other Civil War monument (cemeteries, etc)? There was a connection to Lakeview and the Garfield museum, and for several years there was a Garfield on our Board. Good connection with the historic Woodland Cemetery with the 7th & 8th Ohio have regimental markers. Large number of veterans buried there, too. Archivist, Bill Stark, is researching where veterans are buried. An ongoing process. "
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