Abstract

In this 2025 interview, Ronnie Trey Williams, the owner and founder of Hood Honey 216, discusses his early memories at his grandparents’ house in the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood in the 1990s and early 2000s. Primarily, he discusses spending time outside, his family’s neighbors, and positive memories relating to his family history. Additionally, he describes how he began keeping bees in the neighborhood, how he became involved in urban farming, and how Cleveland as a whole has changed over time.

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Interviewee

Trey Williams, Ronnie (interviewee)

Interviewer

Carubia, Ava (interviewer)

Project

Union-Miles

Date

4-11-2025

Document Type

Oral History

Duration

38 minutes

Transcript

Ava Carubia [00:00:00] Well, we’re recording now, and I have a script I read at the beginning of all the interviews, which is today is April 11, 2025. My name is Ava Carubia, and I’m here, here at NuPoint Community Development Corporation. Interviewing Mr. Ronnie Trey Williams for the Cleveland Regional Oral History Project. Thank you for agreeing to be interviewed today.

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:00:20] No problem.

Ava Carubia [00:00:21] Can you please state your name and the year you were born for the record.

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:00:25] Ronnie Trey Williams, 1988.

Ava Carubia [00:00:28] All right. Perfect. And where were you born in particular?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:00:32] Deaconess Hospital.

Ava Carubia [00:00:34] And where is that?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:00:35] On the west side, West 25th or something like that.

Ava Carubia [00:00:39] Okay, cool. So growing up, what neighborhood did you spend your early life in?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:00:46] Growing up? I grew up at my grandmother’s house. Want to say really early on, like 2, 3, 4 years old. Then we moved to East Cleveland and then eventually to Maple Heights. But I spent a lot of time my grandmother’s house on the weekend and stuff like that.

Ava Carubia [00:01:09] And is her house in Mt. Pleasant?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:01:12] Yeah, house is on Mt. Pleasant, … Street.

Ava Carubia [00:01:18] So I know you said you were like one or two, but what do you remember from, I guess just spending time at her house?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:01:27] All my family, all the cookouts, just kind of, you know, my grandfather, when he was alive, him passing away, that whole transition, having moved back, moving there as a young adult, I remember painting the house. Just a lot of early core memories, you know, good food, talks with all my people and stuff. So that’s a lot of my memories there at that house in that neighborhood right there.

Ava Carubia [00:02:08] And how did your grandmother get to Mt. Pleasant?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:02:12] So my grandmother was born a little further down Kinsman off of Sidaway, where Garden Valley is at now. So I think she lived a couple other places around Cleveland, but her and my grandfather moved in there in 1970. That’s when they bought the house. And I’m assuming she wanted to be closer to her family, which was still on Kinsman. A lot of family on Kinsman.

Ava Carubia [00:02:45] When did the first member of your family get to Cleveland, do you know?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:02:50] On my mom’s side. I have to ask my grandmother, but I want to say late 1800s, early 1900s. I know that my grandmother was born in Cleveland in 1944, and I want to say her mother was also born in Cleveland. So my guess is somewhere in the early 19th century or whatever it is. Well, that’d be 20th century, but yeah, I want to say somewhere around there. But they’ve been on Kinsman for least 100 years. My grandmother was literally born on Sidaway, so they were there for a while, so. Yeah, like 100 years they’ve been on Kinsman. Yeah. But it was. It’s really just a lot of my family memories happening there. I did learn to ride my bike there. And there was a house next to my grandmother’s house. It used to be a little girl there. She was a little older than me, but I used to play my guitar for her when I was like three years old or something, maybe four. I was really young. But then her house burned down, so it was, like, right next door to my grandmother’s. And then on the other side of her was a lady named Ms. Harden, who was the nicest old lady when I was young. She was old, and I remember her breath smelling like spit, which I guess is what it’s supposed to smell like. But she would always smile, give me a hug and give me a kiss and pinch my cheeks. And thinking back on it now, she was, you know, maybe 30, 40 years older than my grandmother. So I guess it was just a respect thing. Wow. Ms. Harden was really old, but she was a nice lady. But my memories in Mt. Pleasant really revolve around my grandmother’s house. It was a special place for all of us, all of her grandkids. I would. So, like I said we would. My mom. Let me see. So my mom moved in there when she left my dad. And that’s where my first memory was when I was like three. And then we moved to East Cleveland when she married my stepdad, who lived next door. And they all went to school together. Whatever.

Ava Carubia [00:05:48] What year was that when y’all moved to East Cleveland?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:05:52] ‘94. So I was maybe 6 or so. Yeah. And my grandfather lived upstairs. It was a single family house, but my grandmother’s brother helped convert it to a double, a two family. And you can kind of tell it was a two family house. I mean, a single family house, converted because everything was a little weird. Like, the bathroom was really close to the kitchen. Like it was a door to the bathroom from the kitchen. Weird. But that was the upstairs, the downstairs kind of flowed more like a regular house. You would think it flows. But my grandfather stayed upstairs even though he was divorced from my grandmother. And she stayed downstairs. And I don’t know how long they lived like that. My grandfather had three cats, but one cat died, named Boots, and they buried him in the backyard. The other two were named Muff and Tom. Muff was Boots’ wife and Tom was their son. So I would play with them. They were all white cats. My grandfather was from Alabama. He served in the Korean War, so he ended up in Mt. Pleasant. We ended up in Cleveland after the Korean War. And he met my grandmother at Luke Easter Park. I don’t know what they were calling it back then. Maybe Woodhill. She was there with her boyfriend. That’s what she said. And that’s where they met. So my whole life started in Mt. Pleasant. My mom went to A.J. Rickoff, the old one, and she also went to the daycare where Thea Bowman is at now. I forget the name of that place. Let me see. I don’t know where my mom was born, but I know my uncle was born at St. Luke’s, which was in Buckeye, so not too far. But. Yeah, but, yeah. I just had a lot of memories growing up there. Like, let’s see, all my cousins from out of town. I had a cousin named Charlotte. I think she was my grandmother’s friend. But they would come. They were from Chicago, and when they would come from out of town, they would come stay with my grandmother. And it was always fun having them over there, looking through family memories, pictures, and, you know, the photo album. I remember my grandmother had a floor, a floor TV, a floor set. It was heavy as a mug, but that’s what I remember. Watching the Mike Tyson fights when he bit Evander Holyfield’s ear off when the Indians were good in ’95. I watched that whole season there. My grandfather was a big baseball fan coming from down south, so we would always watch the Chicago Cubs and the Indians. We watched the White Sox, too. I didn’t like the White Sox, but all those 90s Indians moments, I watched them there. Hmm, let’s see now. When I got older, my dad ended up moving to a house in Mt. Pleasant. It was on 117th and Ely, I think.

Ava Carubia [00:09:42] And what year was that?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:09:47] My granddad died in 1998. I was 10, I want to say he was over there in that area of, let me see, 96 to, like, 2000ish. 2001. Somewhere in the mid to late 90s, my dad was living over there, and my brother, my stepbrother, who has passed away now, but when he was younger, he got hit by a car at Luke Easter, at Zelma George. He got hit by a car over there. You know, they would skate all the time over there. That was a moment. Yeah. I want to say I was like, 10, 11, 12, you know, and we would ride our bikes from 117th over to Imperial and buy, like, these little poppers and little small firework things. It was a. It was a store over there. Yeah. It was a store over there on 123rd and Imperial, where Shirley’s farm is at. And we would just, you know, play with those little things. That’s all I remember on July 4th.

Ava Carubia [00:11:11] So were there a lot of kids in the neighborhood that you would hang out with?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:11:16] There were. There were. I can’t remember their names. No. Is one kid. I do remember his name. His name was Jordan Michael. Because, you know, Michael Jordan was playing basketball at that time. So it was always weird, like, oh, yeah, yeah. You know, we just call him Jordan Jordan, but it’s like, no, his middle name is Michael. So he’s like Michael Jordan. So that’s the one kid I remember. He had some brothers. I think he was a middle kid. But his name was Jordan Michael. I don’t know his last name. I want to say they would. We would end up fighting him sometimes. You know, boy stuff. We would be friends and fight sometimes. We would play manhunt over here, over there. It was a lot more houses over there. A lot more houses at the time. So it would be in people’s backyards, running around and stuff. Also going back in time, my grandfather, when he was alive, he had a girlfriend named Lynette. And she stayed, I want to say, in the 40s or the 50s. 140s. 150s and Kinsman. And she was Jamaican. I just found out that Mt. Pleasant has a really high Jamaican population, it’s growing, which is interesting. But Lynette had. She was like light skin, kind of small, and she had a Jamaican accent. She was always really nice to me. And she made this really good rice with like pepper in it or something. It was really good. And we would go over there and visit her sometimes. And in her backyard she had like maybe a pear tree. She had a lot of fruit trees in her backyard. And I remember that different houses, you know, my grandparents would take us to, you know, their friends in the neighborhood. There’s always fruits in the backyard and grapes and stuff like that. They weren’t necessarily growing them as farming or gardening, but they were always there. Yeah.

Ava Carubia [00:13:22] Well, I have another question, which is when you were growing up, what kind of stories would your family tell about the area?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:13:31] Oh, so many stories. Stories about. It would be funny stories like, you know, maybe running from the police, you know, never my grandmother or her kids, but it would be cousins whose names I don’t know. And it was a lot of them, you know, because my grandmother was the youngest of like six or seven. And everybody else, except the brother right over her was older than her, so the story she would be telling would be of her peers, but they were her nephews and nieces. And some of them sad. Like, I know one, one of my cousins who’s. Who’s since passed away, his mother was killed either in Mt. Pleasant or Woodland Hills right in front of him. Some stories were cool. I had an uncle who ran maybe some after hours joints, you know, while he worked as a garbage man or something. I don’t know, you know, just all kind of cool stories about what they would do. So I know my grandmother would say, yeah, you know, after, you know, after they would have a party or something, they would go get some ribs, you know, Whitmore’s and Mt. Pleasant. That would be a thing. And they would talk about. Oh, and then we would have family reunions at Luke Easter Park. I have a picture. So my mom and dad divorced when I was younger, so I don’t really remember them being together. But I do have pictures of all of us together. And the one picture I remember, it had to be like maybe 1990, maybe 91. Probably just 1990. I was like two or three. I was really young in that picture. And we all had on red shirts. I think my dad had on a red hat. And we had our arms out like this and we were at the park. Cause it was a family reunion. Yeah, yeah, we had a bunch of family reunions up there. My grandmother would make these. She would make these turkey legs, but she would bake them first and then she would throw them on the grill for like 20 minutes to let them char and get a good smoky flavor. They tasted way better than the ones at Disney World. You ever been to Disney World? They have turkey legs at Disney World. They’re good, but they’re not better than my grandma’s. I’ll put it like that. Yeah, those are good. The food, getting barbecue from Mt. Pleasant or Whitmore’s. They have this sauce. What I do. Not necessarily the ribs. Ribs are okay, a little tough. I still eat them every now and then, but as the fries with the sauce after, like the next day. That sauce and fry combo is really good. I don’t know what it is, but it’s really good. When we would come visit my grandmother, my mom would stop at Shrimp Boat sometimes back when her chicken was better and get some chicken. We’ll hang out with my grandmothers. Yeah.

Ava Carubia [00:17:21] How did your grandma’s street and then just other areas you were spending time in in the neighborhood change from when you were super young to when you got older?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:17:34] So, like, I remember when I would be with my grandfather, so he stayed upstairs. He would always lean over the porch in the morning, just people watch. It was always people walking up and down the street, Some of them drunk, like this guy named Larry or Leroy or something. He kind of looked like Lamont off of Sanford and Son because he had an afro and shit. It was like the 90s, so he was still rocking the afro and bell bottoms. So he was, like, super out of place. But he was always drunk. And he just walk up the street going to the store. And my grandfather always say hi to him. It was another guy who stayed in those apartments that are still there. And, you know, he was always asking for money or trying to fix something. And my uncle would be like, oh, get out of here. You know, what kind of money for you, man? I guess the guy was a little older than my uncle, but, you know, he just never did nothing with himself. But then one day he did something with himself and fixed that apartment and bought it. Was making more money than my uncle was, at one point in time. So I remember that. My. Let me see. But yeah, it was a lot more people walking up and down the street. A lot more interactions that way. And not just like, it was still kind of ghetto, but it was more people activity, you know, I remember a guy maybe four or five houses down from my grandmother’s. I don’t know if he lived there, but he had some friends there, maybe. And he had this big old python around his neck. You know, everybody was gathered around and looking at him. And it was summer. Cause I can remember the trees and, like, clear as day. It was just like, oh, my goodness, look at this dude with this freaking singer on his neck. And it was crazy. But now I have bees on the same street. So I was like, I’m kind of like that dude. A lot of our people on the street, though, we would come from Maple Heights, so we coming from the Union way towards Kinsman. My grandmother stayed in between Kinsman and Union.

Ava Carubia [00:20:07] When did y’all move from East Cleveland to Maple Heights?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:20:10] ’95, ’94, ’95. But summertime, I would be at my grandmother’s house a lot. But, yeah, so we’ll be coming from Maple Heights. So we’ll be coming up from Thea Bowman, heading toward. Heading north. And soon as we would cross over from. Meet over from 120th over Union to 119th, it would be like a hill going down a little bit. At the bottom of that hill, it was always boys playing basketball. And, like, sometimes they move out the way quick, sometimes they didn’t. But it was crazy. Like it was just people outside doing stuff, you know, some good, some bad. But that’s, that’s the biggest, one of the biggest changes. People outside and buildings, housing being there. The violence has changed. You know, back then, like I talking to my friend, I’m like, man, you think I’ve been able to bee-keep in the hood back in the day? He’s like, nah, probably not. You know, not enough space for one and then two. You know, people gotta know who you are, where you from. And now all the violence is happening inside people’s houses with domestic violence and it’s internet beef, you know, it’s just a different kind of thing going on, you know, so it’s different. It’s just different.

Ava Carubia [00:21:47] So you were living in Maple Heights with your family and then how did you get back to Mt. Pleasant?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:21:55] So I would always go visit my grandmother, even as I got older. And then, you know, become a young man, you’re still looking for stuff. But sometimes grandma would have a little money for me or some food or something. So I would always come back and you know, it’s grandma. Holidays and stuff. And then she end up getting older and decided to move with my mom. She didn’t feel like maintaining the whole house by herself anymore, so she moved from there in 2012. So I would always just come by and check on the house. But it would deteriorate. You know, people break in stealing copper. So you talking about right after the recession type stuff. So you know, still good thing, not a good thing. Still a thing that people do. But back then it was crazy. But then I end up coming back to Mt. Pleasant because my friend, he wanted to do something in Mt. Pleasant with you know, like non-profit work. He had an organization he called Leaders of our Future America. I liked the idea, so we started working together and I created, you know, my company, Hood Honey and you know, kind of went from there. So I’m kind of back, back home, last five years.

Ava Carubia [00:23:25] How did you get into bees and farming and all of that?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:23:29] Just from the story I just said, you know, just. Just trying to using my talents to help my friend build his company. So, so I started gardening like in 2016? Well, no, 2012, my dad gave me a collard green, a cherry tomato, and a green pepper and a bell pepper plant.

Ava Carubia [00:24:02] So your dad was a gardener?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:24:04] Yeah, my dad was a gardener and then he showed me how to garden. Cause he would need help, not too much help, but you know, I would see him start gardening in like the mid-2000s and sometimes he had me help him build, you know, a fence or, you know, something. I wasn’t really paying attention. But then I started paying attention to it, started wanting to do it as I got older. And he got me those three plants, and, you know, I planted them, and it kind of went okay. You know, I was coaching baseball, running the baseball league at that time, and that wasn’t going as well as I wanted to. But the garden part went well. So I was like, okay, I think I’ll come back to this. So I came back to it a couple years later. By that time, I was married with kids, so I started to garden. Started kind of liking it, you know, got really good at it. So by the time my friend asked me to help him, I was just looking through what talents we both had, and I knew I could garden. So I was like, why don’t we start a community garden or a farm or something like that? We can use our talents to, you know, help the neighborhood out, you know, the way that he wanted to. And that’s just kind of how I got into gardening and then start transitioning more into farming. As I got deeper into this company and saw the ways that farming could help the neighborhood out and we could both, me and my friend, accomplish some of our goals.

Ava Carubia [00:25:41] What’s the most rewarding thing from, the most rewarding part of doing this work in your grandma’s neighborhood, in this neighborhood that you spent so much time in growing up?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:25:54] It’s pretty cool being a hood superstar. Not that that was my goal, but I saw that it could happen. And now that it’s kind of happened, like, not that that’s the end goal to be a hood superstar, but now that that has kind of happened, it’s pretty cool to kind of tell my family story from my perspective and kind of, you know, put my family on the map. That’s really the cool part. And being able to come back to a place that gave me so much happiness and then get more happiness now in farming and then bring people there to share my experience is pretty, like, path’s pretty cool. It’s like, one of the best feelings, you know. Then I get to share with my son and my daughter, too, which is another great feeling.

[00:26:48] So being able to do it at home in Mt. Pleasant is great, especially with the kind of mind I have and the kind of ideas that I, you know, am ready to bring forth to, you know, the community. Like, it’s pretty cool. And it’s cool to watch everything come into place, because I really want to put the community on the map and make it a really special, vibrant place. You know, with agriculture.

Ava Carubia [00:27:20] What would you say the most challenging part of your work is?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:27:29] Staying the course. You know, it’s taken a lot to get people to know about this company, and it takes a lot of sacrifice. I didn’t know how much sacrifice it was going to take when I started. It took a lot, you know, like, not being able to get lineups when you want to get them. Having a hard time traveling, you know, not having money to do whatever you want to do, you know, not having the clothes you used to have, you know. Took a lot. Took a lot. But it’s paying off now. Starting to pay off.

Ava Carubia [00:28:17] What, I think you kind of touched on this. But through all the time you spent in Mt. Pleasant, what’s your happiest memory or one of your happiest memories?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:28:26] It’s a lot. One of my happiest memories is. Is I forgot what they call them, but I’m just gonna say the after party when my grandfather died, whatever they call it, was at my grandmother’s house, at his house too. And everybody was there, like, everybody, like, my whole family was there. Everybody, like, everybody. So it was like 100 people. And like, you’ve been there. It was a hundred people there everywhere, you know, and the house that burned down, it used to be like basically where we parked our cars, you know. So, like, everybody was parked there. Like everybody was there. And I was recording a video and did not hit record or something went wrong. But I just. I remember watching a video from my eyes and just being like, wow, everybody is here. So it was sad, but it was like, oh, everybody’s here. Another moment is learning. My mom teaching me how to ride my bike in the house that burnt down. That was great. I remember. Let me see. Let’s see. Another great day. More recently was in 2022, I was going through the sacrifice, the hard time. You know, I didn’t have any money. I was catching a bus to the farm. But our plants were so big and green. And I just remember I got done watering them and just falling asleep sitting under the trees. And it’s like a core memory. Like, it’s so burned into my brain just sitting there, you know, with the houses in the background. And the sun is just shining so bright and the sunflowers are up all the way in the front. And the corn was really tall, the tomatoes were really tall. And it was tomatoes on there. So it was like all these colors and it was like 85 degrees and I just fell asleep. It was like one of the best feelings of, like, wow, there’s nothing to do today, because everything’s just perfect, you know? And that was like, those are some of my best moments in my life just being down there.

Ava Carubia [00:31:05] What ways has Cleveland as a whole changed and remained same throughout your lifetime here?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:31:13] It’s changed because it’s not a lot of. Not as many people here. It seems like more and more opportunities are slipping away. It’s changed because the opportunities that are here are kind of like, they were on the back-burner before. Like, being a nurse wasn’t a thing in the early 90s, mid-90s, but once the late 90s and 2000s got here, that was a thing. And now Cleveland Clinic’s big as heck. And, you know, that’s a place where people want to work. What hasn’t changed is the people’s mentality, because nobody’s really moving here. So a lot of the thoughts are still kind of just hanging around in the air, so you can kind of get a sense of the people who are from here, you know, and, like, are you from here? No. Okay, yeah. So people. I be thinking about this stuff a lot, but I think that was lingering is this thought that Cleveland is a major city. Like a major, major city. Not New York or Los Angeles, but, you know, a big city. But the ego won’t let that idea go because that’s from, like, the 50s. But the idea is still there because people have this underdog mentality, whether they know it or not. Being in Cleveland, you know, we all feel like, oh, yeah, like, you know, this place is little. This and that, like, we point out all negatives, but then when we leave here, we love it. We never stop talking about it. We don’t let anybody else talk about it. So I think what hasn’t changed is the idea. The underdog idea, you know, but, yeah, I don’t know. It’s still kind of Cleveland. Like, it’s still very Clevelandy. I don’t know how to explain it. Just so Cleveland, I don’t know.

Ava Carubia [00:33:27] And then how do you think that Mt. Pleasant in particular has impacted you as a person?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:33:38] A lot more than I thought. Like, if you asked me this a couple years ago, I wouldn’t have said much outside of, you know, my grandmother. But now it’s impacting me a lot. You know, just being there and then learning more about it and then becoming a part of it, it’s impacted me a lot. You know, I got it in my, my mission statement, and, you know, it’s just impacted me a lot because it’s the place I talk about when I travel to other countries. You know, talking to different people, always telling about Mt. Pleasant and what we’re trying to do and where it’s been. So it’s impacted me a lot.

Ava Carubia [00:34:24] Well, I just have one more question for you, which is, what message would you like to leave for future generations?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:34:32] That’s a good question. I guess. If you’re listening, I wonder how Mt. Pleasant looks in your time. How does it look? That’s. I don’t know. That’s the message. How does it look?

Ava Carubia [00:34:56] That’s good. Those are all my questions. But is there anything you’d like to add that I didn’t ask you about?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:35:11] No, that’s about it. Oh, wait. 129th and Benham. Ms. Harrison. That’s where I first put my bees at, in Mt. Pleasant. And Ms. Harrison let me put her there. She. It was COVID So, you know, it was weird. And I was just sitting on the thought of, like, yeah, Hood Honey, you know, because I would always think about it a lot, talk about it with my friend a lot, and then I would drive over and try to visualize the thoughts. So I kind of like. It’s like, yeah, you know, the bees can have, like. We can plant a lot of gardens and kind of make this highway with the bees. And it’s kind of like I saw it in my head. I don’t know how, but I, like, saw this line. Like I was playing a video game. And it literally just took me from my farm up 119th, across Union to 120th, and then I made a left on Benham, and then I got to 129th and Benham, and this lady is watering her garden. And I talked to Ms. Harrison and told her, like, hey, I think I want to put some bees somewhere. Mind if I put them here? She was unsure, but we traded numbers, and we talked all wintertime, and she let me do it. So that’s where we first did them, 129th and Benham. So. Didn’t want to leave that out.

Ava Carubia [00:36:45] That’s awesome. Do you have anything else you’d want to add?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:36:49] Nah, I think that’s it.

Ava Carubia [00:36:51] Okay, cool. Well, I’m gonna end the recording now.

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:36:54] Oh, wait.

Ava Carubia [00:36:55] Never mind.

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:36:58] One more thing. Used to be a McDonald’s and Burger King in between Union and Kinsman. That’s the only thing I want.

Ava Carubia [00:37:09] Do you know what street?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:37:10] No, I don’t. I think it was. Yeah, it was. Where? I think it’s. It’s a new development there. It’s like, a nursing home or senior center home or something like that.

Ava Carubia [00:37:22] Would y’all go there a lot? Is that what you remember?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:37:24] Yeah, because my grandfather, you know, nobody cared about calories and stuff in the 90s, so my grandfather, I was the only grandchild, so he would just buy me all kinds of terrible food, and we would go there all the time. I think that’s it, though.

Ava Carubia [00:37:44] You think that’s it? There’s nothing else?

Ronnie Trey Williams [00:37:46] Nothing else, I promise. You can cut it off.

Ava Carubia [00:37:48] Okay. Well, thank you so much.

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