Abstract
Doug Patterson grew up near Columbia in Glenville. He moved to Glenville when he was 8. After school he became the head of an entertainment booking company.
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Interviewee
Patterson, Doug (interviewee)
Interviewer
Gabb, Julie (interviewer)
Project
Project Team
Date
3-11-2014
Document Type
Oral History
Duration
115 minutes
Recommended Citation
"Doug Patterson interview, 11 March 2014" (2014). Cleveland Regional Oral History Collection. Interview 999114.
https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/crohc000/1040
Transcript
Julie Gabb [00:00:01] Alright. We are interviewing Mr. Doug Patterson in Cleveland Heights on March 11, 2014. And Mr. Patterson, I would- Can you please tell me about yourself?
Doug Patterson [00:00:15] What would you like to know?
Julie Gabb [00:00:19] I guess just overall, like your, just in a few sentences, I mean, not a few sentences, I guess like just your biography.
Doug Patterson [00:00:30] Well, I’m an athlete currently. Now I’m a wrestling and a boxing official. Entrepreneur. I work for a cable company and I’m in sales and I have a booking agency that gets involved in booking entertainment. License booking agency. I like to say license because that means you’re official with the American Federation of Musicians, so keeps me pretty busy.
Julie Gabb [00:01:00] So when did you start, when did you live in Glenville? Like what years?
Doug Patterson [00:01:09] I live in Glenville right now. I just turned 64, which was March 9. I’ve been there ever since, in the Glenville community, since I was eight years old.
Julie Gabb [00:01:22] And why did you move to Glenville?
Doug Patterson [00:01:25] Parents. At eight years old, you don’t have choices. You just go with the flow.
Julie Gabb [00:01:31] Was there any particular reason why they wanted to move to Glenville?
Doug Patterson [00:01:35] I had no idea. Back in the days, you didn’t ask questions, you just went. A little different ballgame than it is today. Because you- Why did I do this? Well, you couldn’t do that back in them days.
Julie Gabb [00:01:50] So what street did you grow up in Glenville?
Doug Patterson [00:01:54] On Columbia Avenue, on the east side of Columbia, because you had two sides of Columbia. You had the west side and you had the east side. The west side of Columbia that split off East 105. They went to junior high and high school, they went to Miles Standish and then went to Empire. On the east side of 105 in Columbia, you went to Patrick Henry [now Stephanie Tubbs Jones], FDR, and then you went to Glenville or Collinwood if you push further.
Julie Gabb [00:02:30] What school did you go to for elementary school?
Doug Patterson [00:02:33] Columbia.
Julie Gabb [00:02:34] And how was, can you explain how your experience Columbia was?
Doug Patterson [00:02:41] Well, Columbia, back in them days, you met everybody because they came from all over the area, different ball game. Back in them days, you walked to school for a long distance, yet I lived close to the school, but everybody else had to walk in the school and we were pretty active with our teachers. Very [inaudible]. I was safety guard at, crossing guard at Columbia, but I also became a yard guard. That means stopping kids from doing crazy different stuff, doing yard play. You report them like a security guard. Back in them days too, they taught you banking. What they don’t do now. They taught you how to try to save money in the bank, if you ever had money. And most of the time, a lot of people didn’t have none. But you have some people that was living well off, and while everybody else is putting a quarter or fifty cents in the bank, they were putting like $5 and $10. It was like, wow. But we still all got along, so it didn’t make any difference what it was. We all got along.
Julie Gabb [00:03:45] So were they teaching you banking in, like, elementary school?
Doug Patterson [00:03:47] Yep. Putting money into the actual banking account. I try to remember which banking, who it was. But was it AmeriTrust? Back in them days, I think it might have been AmeriTrust, but they taught us banking. They taught us banking from the fourth grade. No, let me see. Fourth? Yeah, we were doing it in the fourth grade. You put money in the bank, so they always tell you to invest into your bank, and we was in the fourth grade.
Julie Gabb [00:04:20] And were you a yard guard as well as a crossing guard when you were in elementary school?
Doug Patterson [00:04:27] Pretty popular. I was advantageous then. I was in the band and I was in plays. And you had a couple guys that we all ran together. And as we grew up, teachers look for us for guidance as leaders, and I like that kind of situation to kind of be a leader type person. People look up to you, and it was very important to keep that image. There’s a couple of us we ran that playground. You straighten it out, or we was going to get you and report you to teacher. And we wasn’t worried about you jumping on us because we had you in check. So you had the little clique of guys around you, so you kind of became popular. And I like that authority to keep people together because my parents always taught me that.
Julie Gabb [00:05:09] Was there any memorable experience as being a yard guard when you were younger?
Doug Patterson [00:05:17] Yeah, when we had to break up fights and people see us coming and people like, oh, here they come. It’s almost like the military police in the military. They see us, they’re gone, really. Now, back before that, before I moved on to Columbia, coming from another area, and it made me change, and that’s probably why I changed. Columbia, where they had bullying back even there. And I had a guy I was so afraid of in the second grade. He kept me out of school the whole day, and he really wasn’t nothing. For some reason, I didn’t want to fight him. From that point on, that didn’t happen anymore. You come to me, you better bring it. So those days, those people didn’t get bullied as much, but it was bullying going around in them days, and that was the experience. I couldn’t believe he was chasing me around the schoolyard, and I wouldn’t even go into class. That was crazy. I looked at it now, I was like, man, I can’t believe he did that. I let him do that. And then when you check him out, it was a little different ballgame. You’re only going to do what you let him do. So then back in there, the girls were a little differently then because you had to wear the longer skirts and you got into plays. I kept myself so busy in the sports, they have time to get in trouble, because by time you come from rehearsal and practices, you’re too tired. And then you couldn’t play if your grades weren’t up, and then you couldn’t play if you didn’t go to church. You didn’t go to church that day, you ain’t playing on the game that day. So now you go to Sunday school. Cause you want to play in the game. And we were, the guys at home, we were pretty good athletes. I mean, we played football. We beat the team so bad that we actually had to play the parents. People like, what? We beat them so bad, we had to play the parents, cause the regular teams our age could not. We beat them like 72 to nothing, 100 to nothing. And people were like, wow. We were calling plays like, okay, John, this guy coming on my right shoulder, we’re gonna run a 42 buck, and what we gonna do is come back and Mike, you block ’em and they like, huh? Usually when you play football, you just hike the ball, you go this way, you go this way and throw it. We didn’t do that. We set up plays, and we were, we would go to other schools, areas and playgrounds to play them, and couldn’t nobody beat us. And we were fast. We were good athletes. We could fight pretty good. So, you know, we had it a little differently. If you was in the clique, fine. But if you wasn’t in the clique back in them days, they go try you. To answer that question. A while ago, you asked me about a situation to bring up. I remember a situation. This guy had just moved on the street, and we always had bullies. And this bully, you hated to fight him. Cause if you fought him, you had to fight him for five days, and you didn’t want to fight him. Cause if he beat you, he gonna try to kill you. And if you beat him, you’re gonna have to keep fighting. So it’s better. Don’t even do it. But this one guy had moved on the street, him and his brother, and we were playing football on the street. And this guy always starts up. He brought the guy over to me and said hey. Cause back in there, they called me Lil Butch, fighting cause I was little, still little. He said, this is a new guy on the street, he could probably whoop you. I was like, I don’t know that. I don’t even know the guy. He said he think he can whoop you. And the other guy said, yeah, I can whoop him. I’m like, you don’t know if you can whoop me or not. You don’t even know me. And the guy said, see, I told you he could whoop you. I’m like, how are you gonna say he whooped me? He don’t even know me. And why is he talking about whooping me anyway? I don’t even know the guy. Yeah, I, but you, I don’t think you beat little butch. I’m like, I don’t even know the guy. I’m not even gonna get involved with that. He said, I can get. I said, you don’t know that. He says yes I do. We end up getting in a fight. He lost pretty bad. And from then on, he didn’t want to start nothing with me. And then his older brother, oh, I know a good incident. And now you got me bringing up stuff. Back in them days, they had what you call no friend dippies. Now, what that means, people always, we didn’t have any money, so somebody had some money. My parents always gave me money because I always worked in the summertime, I worked for the school. I had a garden. I like to keep money in my pockets. I always found a job, so I always had money. But you have some other kids didn’t have no money, and they was always begging. So we came up with a thing called no friend dippies. That means if you have something, if somebody want to ask you for them, if you say no friend dippies, they can’t ask you for it. So as soon as you get a candy bar and every time I work little part time jobs for the grocery stores or whatever, they never had a job. I always work cleaning up houses. Hey, Miss John, Julie, you gotta, what about your house is dirty mind me cleaning up? Oh, shovel your snow. We did something to keep money, right? So this guy named Tiger and his brother one of the reds I beat up, I told him I like, uh, I had some popcorn. I was sitting in the chair like I’m doing now. And he came on. I said, no friend dippies. He said, man, forget that. Give me some. I’m like, no friend dippies. I ain’t gotta give you none. I was about maybe 9, 10. He said, I want some popcorn. I’m like, no friend dippy man. You heard me. Give me some popcorn. I was like, no friend dippies. Get away from me. He got over me. I’m sitting in the chair. He put his knee on my elbow and he came down. He’s like, give me something. I said, no. He’s like, whack. Popped me in the face. I was like, ah, I gotta kill you. We never got in a fight cause I didn’t wanna fight him. Cause he was crazy. But that’s the incident. I never forgot that. And they laughed, they laughed, they laughed. They still never forgot that. And this guy was a little guy. He was littler than I was, but he was a bully. And to this day, he’s still a bully. And you see him now, people thought he was a big guy, but he’s a little guy. And he could fight very well, but stayed in trouble. He went, took the wrong path. But that was an incident that I remember. It hit me in my face like that. One last incident. These guys always try to make you fight somebody. That guy didn’t try to get you to fight. So we were like, you know, we tired of them bullying us. How come you guys don’t fight? Oh, we friends? No, but I know you friends, but Larry probably could kill you. You can’t kill me, Larry like, shit. I think Larry can take it. Cause Larry’s fast bully and you always bullying people. That’s probably why you ain’t never messed with him. We winking our eyes like, okay. And Willie like, yeah, I’ll kill Larry. And Larry like, you don’t know that. He’s like, yeah, payback. And we just agitated. And they got into a fight and we laughed so hard. We finally, finally got them to fight. I think Larry won too. But then Larry had to fight Willie all the time. Cause he was the kind of guy you had to fight five of time. If you beat him the first time, you got to fight him again. You beat him a second time, he might leave you alone or make it a third time. But if he beat you, he gonna try to kill you. So you don’t want to fight a guy, you gotta fight all the time. That’s gonna beat you down. And if you beat him, you’re gonna keep fighting. Cause he ain’t gonna give up. Some people didn’t want to fight him. Cause they didn’t want to keep fighting this guy. Every single take you come outside, he stepped on your, ready to fight you, you know, so, like, oh, man. He used to go in the backyard, and we go in the backyard and that them days you have parties. You have where you got red light and blue light. You go to the party, the parents go home. If he see a girl he like, he taking her from the guy or whatever. We like, Willie, please. We trying to have a good time. I like her. He’s what? What? That guy? He’s a punk. I’m going to get. He would go take her. I had a girlfriend I like. Well, he said, I like her. I’m like, okay, you can have her. I don’t like her no more. Go ahead. I didn’t want her. Not Willie. Cause he gonna fight you for it. We having a party, and he gonna take this girl and this guy gonna try to do it, get fighting. I was like, oh, gosh, Willy, stop, man. We having a good time, everybody got a good girlfriend. Why do you gotta start a fight? He said, cause I want her. I’m like, oh, man, here we go. And he starts fighting. So we start hiding from this guy. He is always. We go places, we take off, and here come looking for us. Him and this guy named Larry Richard. Can’t forget that. Larry Richard, he fought everybody, always want to fight. If we got somebody back in them days, you came out of neighborhood, you better be able to fight. Cause we’re gonna try you. You know how to get the thing where the person gets behind you and get down, and we talk to you, and he’d push you over the guy and then jump you. They did this guy named Michael Compton like that, and he’s still today. He lives in Dallas. And last time I talked to him a couple years back, he ain’t never forgot that. He said, I said, you was new to the neighborhood, and Larry wanted to see what you got. And Larry used to bully me so much. His mother really liked me. And she said, leave him alone. I like Larry stop. Leave him alone. She said, I ever catch you messing with him, I’m gonna get you. So every time you mess with me, I said, I’m gonna tell my Hazel and he’ll stop. I’m gonna get you one of these days. So one day I was like, you know, you just get tired of getting bullied. I said, you know what? I’m tired of you bullying me. You ain’t doing it no more. He said, what you gonna do about it? I said, I’m not gonna let you bully me no more. He pushed. I beat him up, and his brother laughed at him. You let little butch beat you up? I didn’t come outside for three days. Cause he was waiting outside. I would go through the back door because you beat him up. And finally I’m like, I’m tired. And I went into him. I don’t know where I got that strength from. And he was a big dude. I beat him up in a doorway. I went. I was like a whirlwind on him. And his brother laughed at him. That next day, he was at my step for three days in a row. I had to go out the back door, go to school late. He, back in them days, you better be able to be it. So, that’s cool. I got you laughing. I’m laughing about it now. We tell, when we get together, the guys, and we pretty close, and we laugh at stuff like that now. But back in them days, you got your group, you got gangs. Back in them days, we try to stay neutral, but you got gangs on both sides of us and all over the place. If you weren’t in the gang, they gonna beat you up. But we were like, we ain’t getting in the gang. You ain’t intimidating us. We decided what we want to do. You ain’t. So we had our own little clique, but we didn’t have no gang. We wouldn’t get into all that crazy stuff. But we weren’t gonna let you mess with us unless you outnumber us. And sometime they outnumbers, like, 30 of them is only five of us. Different ballgame now. Even then, we trying to fight them. Let me show you something. [Patterson briefly walks away from microphone] We all play sports, and we became friends. See where I hang together? See how we all together? Even as we grew up, we all hung together. Even the guy that started some, that little guy back here? That’s the one that hit me in the (face). But you see, we play sports. See how, we see some of the same guys in the same pictures? And to this day, we’re almost like that now. And everyone that back in them days became all those guys, either their coaches or their officials or their teachers, like me being a referee or the other ones are coaches or their officials or they’re school teachers. We all took our skills and became athletes, cause we were good, and we were winning, we were winning championships in every sport we went. We were good athletes. And our kids took off this to a little certain extent. We were winning awards, from swimming to basketball to track to football to baseball, we were good, and we were always in championship. You had to play to beat us. I mean, we didn’t win everything, but we, you figure in nine years, we went to the championship seven and won six or five, whatever, five out of seven. In football and in track, we was fast, so we all learned to support each other to the. Now, today, I still can call someone passed away, but they respect us in school because you had to get that respect. If you didn’t, you had nothing coming. The coolest people back in them days are the ones right now be asking you to loan them a dollar. You the most muscular guy in school now you look like a frail. You were the most popular in school. Now you got nobody to talk to you. You were the fastest in school. Now you can’t hardly run. You had all this stuff back then, but now you ain’t got it all because the way you did your life and took advantage of it. And the ones that were humble, we’re the ones that are loaning you money now. But back in them days, you was all this. Now you’re not. Like I said, Leslie, back in them days, he was quiet. So when you told me, Leslie, I’m like, Leslie? He wouldn’t even talk. He ran track, but he ain’t never talk. He was quiet to us. We wouldn’t even mess, we wouldn’t even deal with him. Cause we’ll beat him up. He was too timid for us, you know, we were like, man, he ain’t hanging with him. He can’t hang us. But now he’s outgoing. He’s part of the Glenville alumni, which I used to be part of. And he’s pretty active. It’s a different ballgame now. He’s really shocked. He’s playing golf and making money. And them smart people, that’s how they are right now, you know? So.
Julie Gabb [00:18:49] So you said earlier that when you were in Columbia Elementary School, your football team played against?
Doug Patterson [00:19:02] No, our street team. It was a street team that we played against everybody. Just guys in the neighborhood. We, we played against everybody in the neighborhood. We just played them. And we beat them, bad. Because we kind of play organized football with a team and we were winning all the, the trophies and all that stuff. So we took that skill, and when we played as a team, we still did the same thing and we were winning championships. So when we play other schools, I mean, other street clubs and streets, we took that same skill that we had from the teams that we played on. Even in baseball, we were good. We were winning championships in baseball, tracks, women, we were pretty good. So the people that I grew up with now, other people, I didn’t know about them, but we had our own little clique and that’s how we are. And everybody ended up being cool and doing something with their lives. Most of them, you got some of them like Willie, you know, Tiger and them that went in the wrong direction. But the ones that really play sports, we didn’t have time to get in trouble. We went from season to season to season playing something. We ain’t have time to, by the time you get home and stuff in the evening time, what you gonna do? Back in them, your parents will let you go somewhere as long as you came back home safe. Cause we used to come back in late at night. They ain’t battle us cause we didn’t do nothing. Got a couple of them did stupid stuff, snatching pocketbooks and robbing people. And every one of them did that stuff went wrong or their life went wrong. Got it caught up with them. A couple of them got killed. Police shooting at them, robbing something. Hit him in the thigh, hit him in the head and killed him. Twelve years old, 13. Richie, the brother that I beat up sneaking over the woman got shot in the mouth, died from pneumonia. The ones that did dumb stuff, it cost ’em later on in life. So the ones that went in the other direction, they all pretty successful now.
Julie Gabb [00:21:03] For Glenville High School, what sports did you play when you were in high school?
Doug Patterson [00:21:07] Wrestling. I didn’t play any other sports with them. I was going to play football with them, but I had won a scholarship, what you call Outward Bound, which on a survival course for two months. And they sent me to Colorado for the summer to be able to survive and live with different other nationalities and different other financial people. So we all learned to live together. And you always had somebody that thought they were better than somebody else. And I was pretty tough. And at the end of the course, they wanted me and this guy to fight. They wanted to see who’s going to win it. I was on the wrestling team. So when I came back to Glenville to play football with them, they told me it was too late because I missed the summer. And I was kind of teed off. Cause I’m like, but you sent me on a scholarship program and I wasn’t here. And I’m in better shape than probably most of you guys. Being in Colorado, that altitude, and we climbing mountains and eating rational food and we doing survival courses and ran into a mountain lion up there. I’m repelling off mountains. I mean, we eating dog food and going on survival for three days with no food, no water to see us how we live and watched it. I’m like, in the military so when I came back to me, I’m better shape than your guys. You should have gave me that break because of representing the school. But they wouldn’t. Shall say, I never played for the school ever. And I played, played muni ball. And that’s how I ended up with muni ball. Never went back. But my brother played for the school. He’s the first 10th grader that started at varsity at Glenville. And they never do that in the first year. You don’t come that until late in the season that you got better or you did that in your junior year. He did it in his freshman year. Started off first team. I was like, wow. But then he wouldn’t, didn’t, he didn’t do it. He made the team, and he didn’t do it. He preferred to play in the band. He was in the all city band. Saxophone. And they were good. Cause Glenville, back in them days, we were ranked number one in the city and number three in the state as a band, marching band. We were pretty good in that sport. Only thing we wasn’t good at back then was football, and… I would say football. Basketball, we was okay. Track was always good. Football we wasn’t. Baseball, we was pretty decent. But basketball, they weren’t that good. And you know what in football, they weren’t that good. They’re good in football now. Back in them days, they wasn’t good in football. Always been good in track.
Julie Gabb [00:23:49] Were there any rivalries in high school between other teams?
Doug Patterson [00:23:56] Between other high schools? Glenville and Kennedy, because they built alike, and they built one year behind each other. When we went to the new Glenville, Kennedy was built the following year, and it built exactly like Glenville, except for everything is opposite. The gym was on one side, our gym was on the opposite side. They cafeterias on this side, our cafeterias on that side. That was the difference. But the school’s identical. And it was a rivalry because that’s where we used to talk to the girls. We didn’t have any money, so we used to catch the bus from Glenville to get all the way up to Kennedy to talk to the Kennedy girls or John Adams, because we felt those girls had a little bit more money and they had a little bit more class to them. Our girls that we felt fought like we did, and they were rough as us. So we would catch the bus to go across town to talk to their girlfriends, and then we end up getting in a fight because the guys out there thought they were so bad. I mean, the guys out there with the Kennedy girls and Adams, in them days, they had money. So the guys out there had their nose stuck up and they didn’t treat the girls right. We were more like, man, you ain’t treating this pretty lady right. Shoot, I’ll treat her right cause we from the hood and this lady is pretty and I’m a gentleman with her, right? And these guys were stuck up like they are now and they didn’t treat the lady’s good and the girls were like, we like them hood guys cause they treat us like what, girl, you know, they treat us nice. So now these guys want to fight us. Wrong, you do not want to fight us. Coming from the hood, can we beat them up? It be 20, it be five of us and we beat them all up. And then they go get guns. Cause they couldn’t fight. Just like now they can’t fight. They wanna, they couldn’t fight. You cannot beat us fighting. You might wanna give it up. And we treat your girls right. That’s why Willie took that girl from him. And he said, I’m taking her. Like, Willie, come on, man, we trying to enjoy this party. I want her. I’m gonna get her. Smacked the guy pushed him to the side, he got the girl cause she started talking to him like, oh, man. But they pull out guns. But we always liked Kennedy girls. To this day, Glenville guys like the Kennedy girls. They didn’t like the Collinwood girls cause the Collinwood girls, which is close to us, we were very competitive in sports. They were rough as us, and cursed like sailors so we didn’t like them. We liked the Kennedy girls they got money and dressed nice and look cute and, we like them. Warrensville, John Adams. Back in them days, John Adams and Kennedy battled, but it was mostly Glenville. And then Shaw. So we was competitive with them schools but mostly Kennedy. Always to the day out day, Kennedy. I even see Kennedy people now. Kennedy. But we liked your girls. To the day, it was Kennedy girls, not Collinwood. Some of them got to, but most of them Collinwood girls were rough. East Tech, East High like, them girls curse as much as we do. And drinking, we ain’t trying to get them. Not us. I don’t know what other guys did, but the group that I hung around, we want the Kennedy girls. To the day. Most of us, I went with Kennedy girls. That’s what we like. Kennedy. Kennedy, not the guys. The guys are chumps. But we were rival, in sports, real bad. Glenville and Kennedy. To the day, it’s still that same way.
Julie Gabb [00:27:11] So was the rival, the sports rivalry, based off of what you were saying?
Doug Patterson [00:27:16] It’s based off of your school look like ours. And it also was Shaw, because Shaw had the same color as ours, red and black. And you copied our colors, whatever. So Shaw was upscale between Glenville and Kennedy, Shaw was in the middle. You got Glenville, Kennedy, then you got, no, Glenville, Shaw, then you got Collinwood. What about, no, Glenville, Kennedy, no, Glenville, Shaw. Then you had Kennedy. So with Glenville, Shaw, and you moved up to Kennedy, Adams, Warrensville, out in that direction, Shaker. Collinwood was under Glenville. If you look at expertise, as far as the classification of people and the way they living was. Shaker was kind of tough because them people back in them days, because you had the ratio by stuff in there, it’s mostly caucasian then. So we really didn’t talk to a lot of Shaker. Shaker to us was way up above our head, so we didn’t. And they wouldn’t allow us in that community as much. Upscale was, Adams a little bit, Kennedy a lot. Warrensville, you on the borderline going up there, back in them days, in the early days. Because it was mixture. And then the people from inner city started moving out towards Kennedy, Warrensville. And then the Caucasian then moved out into Chagrin Falls and Chardon. They got the heck away. Why now in the Glenville people were starting to move out there and get away from the hood rats, because that’s when the riots started. And now we got the riots. You got, now you got the gang wars between the gang rivalries in school, the Devil’s Disciples, the Hell’s Angels, Progressive Gents. The Delamores, We Delamores got the girls- They all fighting, but we right in the middle, and we ain’t joining no team. You got blackouts, you got breaking into stores because of the riots, what happened. That guy laid behind the truck. We was up there when that happened, and we walking down the street going swimming, and all of a sudden we’d seen people breaking windows. We like what’s happening? They just hit. Rolled over that guy that laid himself down under that tractor, Stephen Howell. And that’s when the riot started. Now you got military people with tanks and jeeps going down our street with blackouts, and they ride in breaking windows and all kind of stuff. Martin Luther King, that’s when they was doing all kind of stuff. Blackout, it would be pitch black out there stealing stuff. We were doing it, too, to a certain extent. Run in the house, got clothes you were selling. And that’s when you had drugs and normal stuff that was happening. And some of the people got caught up in that, because that’s the way you survived. That made you outcast you went in that direction. They wouldn’t let me do it. When I tried to do it they like, no, you? No. That ain’t you, get out of here. And we wouldn’t do it. They wouldn’t let me get involved with that stuff. And I ain’t want to anyway, but they weren’t gonna. Me and Jimmy, some of they like, no, you guys ain’t getting nothing. No, you guys are cool. And they wouldn’t let us do it. It was almost like protecting us, but they did it. They couldn’t see us do it. We wouldn’t, in our little clique, they hang together. We weren’t trying to do that stuff. I mean, we tried some different thing, but we didn’t get carried away. Like Larry and Woolie and Tiger and all them guys. Then nowadays, Larry’s not even allowed back in the state. Woolly, I heard he got married down in Columbus, trying to change his life. Tiger, he still wouldn’t do right, stealing. Wouldn’t even trust him. Come in your house, he’s supposed to be a friend. He’ll rob your house or set you up. Them kind of guys you had, you couldn’t watch him. Try to steal your girlfriend. He’s supposed to be your friend, but he don’t care. He gonna try to take your girl if he can. Me and his brother, the one I beat up, we was always hanging together and we always, you go with one girl, I go with the sister or the friend. So he invited me and his sister invited me to a party and said, I’m gonna introduce you to my sister, Angela, I never forgot Angie. And I went to meet her I said, oh, man, she’s class I like that. So his brother Tiger came. So I’m a gentleman. I’m like, how you doing? Tiger said, what’s up, b? She’s like, ooh, I love him. I was like, what? I’m a gentleman and this guy a dog. And she ended up going with him. But their life ended up like that because he didn’t treat her right and now to today, I found that’s how she is. Because she went with her boyfriend, they broke them, she went with the brother. What’s wrong with that? Well, I went with this other girl, and Tiger, I’m telling him, man, take her. I gotta do something. So I can’t take her there. You take her there. So she was like, I said, I was playing hard to get with her. He said, well, you didn’t like her. Like, I was playing hard to get. So he ended up dating her. I’m like, wait, that’s a flap. So until the day she see me, I outta beat you up cause you let him. No you did that, but you didn’t wanna talk. But I was playing hard to get. But you got stuck with him. That’s just what you get. So I didn’t trust him with, that song, with OJ, Backstabber. That’s how they were back in them days. They didn’t care. They smiled on your face all the time. They want to take your place cause you’re doing okay. You got some of the guys versus snobby, and we just beat th
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