Abstract
Dave Woldman recalls his experiences in the Heights during the 1960s through the 1970s. He grew up in a conservative Jewish home, but later embraced the counterculture movement and the alternative lifestyles particular to Coventry Village.
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Interviewee
Woldman, Dave (interviewee)
Interviewer
Nemeth, Sarah (interviewer)
Project
Cleveland Heights
Date
7-3-2018
Document Type
Oral History
Duration
79 minutes
Recommended Citation
"David Woldman interview, 03 July 2018" (2018). Cleveland Regional Oral History Collection. Interview 911090.
https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/crohc000/1169
Transcript
Sarah Nemeth [00:00:00] Hi, my name is Sarah Nemeth. I'm here with Dave Woldman. Today is July 3, 2018. This is for the Cleveland Regional Oral History Project. If you could please state your name for the record.
Dave Woldman [00:00:13] Sure. My name is David Woldman.
Sarah Nemeth [00:00:16] And where and when were you born?
Dave Woldman [00:00:18] I was born in 1954 in Cleveland. My parents originally lived on Grosvenor in Cleveland Heights and then moved in with my grandparents into the house in Shaker Heights, on the wrong side of the tracks on Winslow Road.
Sarah Nemeth [00:00:35] And what did they do for a living?
Dave Woldman [00:00:38] My father was court assistant for juvenile court. He also worked for the liquor department, and my mom was pretty much a homemaker and a student.
Sarah Nemeth [00:00:49] Okay, and so when did you live in Cleveland Heights, or did you guys move?
Dave Woldman [00:00:56] Well, when I was first born, apparently, till I was three and a half months, I lived on Taylor Road above the toy store that used to be there. Heights Toy and Furniture.
Sarah Nemeth [00:01:16] So by living in Shaker, how did you get, like, where did you go? What did you do?
Dave Woldman [00:01:23] All right, well, I grew up in Shaker Heights. I attended temple in Cleveland Heights, at Mayfield and Lee, so I was used to going into Cleveland Heights. My parents both grew up in Cleveland Heights, so there were a lot of places that we'd go all the time. I think what you're asking me is about the time I was 13 years old, I started breaking free of my two or three-block radius that I was allowed. And after hearing about the shooting at the C-Saw Cafe, I wanted to go to Coventry to see the blood and the guts and the police and all that good stuff. And I finally got permission. And with the visions of a 13-year-old, it was just a grimy, rundown street.
Sarah Nemeth [00:02:14] Who told you about the C-Saw?
Dave Woldman [00:02:16] It was in the news. It was in the news. I mean, the bartender blew Hell's Angels away, and it resculpted the whole face of Coventry.
Sarah Nemeth [00:02:25] Is there any more details you could remember about that? Like, just what you like? Why did you want to go and just see the blood and guts?
Dave Woldman [00:02:38] It was a destination that my 13-year-old mind chose. I mean, it wasn't far off from where I'd normally run around to, but it was a new place. It was in the news. It was like the community was all going, ehhh. It's not a good neighborhood. Stay away from there. And that's what made me want to check it out.
Sarah Nemeth [00:03:01] Did you go with your friends?
Dave Woldman [00:03:03] No, I got on my bicycle once they gave me permission to leave my area, I said, [makes a zooming sound].
Sarah Nemeth [00:03:11] So your first impression of the space that is Coventry Road?
Dave Woldman [00:03:16] It was gritty it was dirty. It was low-rent. There were drunks, there were druggies. It was different. It was new. It was exciting in the eyes of a 13-year-old. It was a whole new world.
Sarah Nemeth [00:03:29] And what, roughly, we're talking, like the late sixties?
Dave Woldman [00:03:32] Well, I was born in '54, so '67, '67, '68.
Sarah Nemeth [00:03:38] And so a typical day, you hanging out there. What did you do as a 13-year-old?
Dave Woldman [00:03:47] Just cruise from store to store, checking things out. I wasn't the greatest of kids. It was easy to pilfer things, and it was just a neat place to hang out.
Sarah Nemeth [00:04:03] What did the people look like? Like, if you were to, stereotypical, like, generalize when you're walking down or riding your bike down Coventry, what did people. What were the sights, sounds, smells?
Dave Woldman [00:04:17] They were not Shaker Heights. It was a lower income area than I grew up in. The rents were a third of what they were everybody else. So the people were a little bit more ragged to see the drunks, to see what I now know were druggies. You know, it was just different. You know, Coventry was a strange area because it was going from a heavy Jewish population and bikers, and then all of a sudden it blew up, and it opened up for people that were, like, trying to slide under the radar, I guess, is a good way to put it. It was. It was just different. You know, you go into a store and get blasted in the face with incense, and nobody had that. Or, you know, there was an early form of, I think, the Pier 1 stores. I think it was called Pier W. That opened up down there. And it was exotic because it had all these weird smells and furniture styles that you didn't see and the Indian brass and just all the other stuff that you never saw. It was just way different for me. It was not the normal schedule. It was not the normal Shaker Heights life. It was not anything I grew up accustomed to.
Sarah Nemeth [00:05:56] Well, in comparison, what was Shaker like?
Dave Woldman [00:06:00] Too much money. Way too much money. There was a lot of old-school money in Shaker at the time. A lot of people would flaunt the law. You could buy things with money that you can't without money. There were people- There was one family decided they were going to put a cover over their swimming pool, so they built a dome over their pool with no permits or anything. And then the city came down on them, and then they said, oh, here, let me pay you off. So it was stuff like that all over the place. Once again, it was a different world. I was on the wrong side of the tracks. If you were on the south side of the Van Aken rapid, you were not rich. All right? If you were on the north side, your income was quite nice in comparison. So that jaded me to a lot of things. I grew up in a strong, conservative, Jewish, protective family, so I had blinders on. So once those started coming off, it was amazing. Once I got the freedom of being able to move around on a bicycle, it got even more interesting because that gave me the freedoms to start doing, like, the rapids and going downtown and heading down to, like, 9th Street for the burlesque and Jean's Fun House, or by the square for Jean's Magic Shop or the Automat, the restaurant where you put your money and open a little door, pull the plate of food out. It was just so many cool things. Then I got into finding all the tunnels and the walkways underneath the streets downtown and how far underground you used to be able to go. You never had to surface out of the rapid station. You could go to all these different stores that were all interconnected. Yeah, it was. It was really cool.
Sarah Nemeth [00:08:06] So you mentioned that you came from a Jewish family, conservative. Did they ever tell you anything about, like, why they chose to move to Cleveland Heights? Like, maybe later?
Dave Woldman [00:08:18] They grew up in Cleveland Heights, so that was home. I don't think my dad had a lot of money. As a matter of fact, I'll rephrase that and say, I know my dad didn't have a lot of money. My grandparents were doing okay. My grandfather bought a house on Winslow Road, and that ensured that the family had a place to be. I think that did a lot for my stability in life, because my parents lived in that house up until the time that my daughter was born. I mean, so there's a lot of history at the one location.
Sarah Nemeth [00:09:01] Did they ever tell you anything about, like, the Jewish. I mean, that was a strong Jewish enclave.
Dave Woldman [00:09:07] Yes, it was.
Sarah Nemeth [00:09:08] Before the bikers moved in and before it kind of loomed into this counterculture?
Dave Woldman [00:09:14] Tell me about it. No, I lived it.
Sarah Nemeth [00:09:17] Right. So what was it like then, with.
Dave Woldman [00:09:20] It being like, oh, cripes, before me? Yeah. Okay, well, I had to attend school, so I did public school. And at 3:00 on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, as soon as school got out, the carpool was there to pick me up and take me to Hebrew school. Hebrew school went from four till six. Then we'd have to come home, do our homework, get ready for the next day, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, whereas most normal people would have their weekends, I had to get up at 7:00 and get ready to go to Hebrew school and then services and, you know.
Sarah Nemeth [00:09:58] Where did you- What temple did you attend?
Dave Woldman [00:10:00] Temple on the Heights.
Sarah Nemeth [00:10:02] And is that where you went to Hebrew school as well?
Dave Woldman [00:10:04] Yes.
Sarah Nemeth [00:10:05] Were there a lot of kids that were your age that also had to go?
Dave Woldman [00:10:09] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Sarah Nemeth [00:10:11] Like, how many were in your class?
Dave Woldman [00:10:13] I don't remember exactly how many in the class. You can go to B'nai Jeshurun out at Fairmount and see my picture up on the wall with the graduating class, and it was probably somewhere around 50, 70 people.
Sarah Nemeth [00:10:33] Wow.
Dave Woldman [00:10:34] And that was just the one grade, you know, so there was a number of grades going on at the same time.
Sarah Nemeth [00:10:42] So did you mostly, or did you notice that the Jewish families kind of stuck together?
Dave Woldman [00:10:48] They had to.
Sarah Nemeth [00:10:48] They had to.
Dave Woldman [00:10:49] They had to. I grew up a block and a half away from St. Dominic's. There were no other kids in my block or two. And I took so much shit from those kids at St. Dominic's that it wasn't even funny.
Sarah Nemeth [00:11:00] Because of the religious differences? [Yes.] So would you say that there was a lot of divisions in Cleveland Heights at that time?
Dave Woldman [00:11:12] I'd say there were more divisions in Shaker Heights, but, yeah, you know, there was the Jews, and I hate to put it this way, but there was us and them, and then there was the Negroes, which there were a lot more derogatory names in use for at the time. My grandmother absolutely lost her stone the first time I brought a Black friend over the house. Oh, my God. Oh, I forgot all about that. I had an Austin Healy sprite with opera glass windows on it, and I was a crazy little shit. And one of my favorite tricks was, as I was going along, I'd blast the two windows down and forward because they'd pivot. And the car was only about that. And I go ripping under semi trailers, and we're heading towards my house, and I knew this guy had never- His name was Gerald Neal. I knew he'd never experienced this before. So I calmly reached forward and knocked the two glasses down, and I started aiming for this truck trailer and said, Duck! He turned white.
Sarah Nemeth [00:12:40] Sounds terrible.
Dave Woldman [00:12:42] We got to my house. We started going up. At this point in time, my bedroom was up on the third floor, and we started heading up there, and my grandmother just absolutely lost it that I was bringing a Black person into her house. It was like, he's a person. Shut up. Go close your door. And it was off and running. It was amazing. Oh, my goodness. But, yeah, that was, that was an interesting day all around.
Sarah Nemeth [00:13:16] It sounds like it on multiple levels. So there was- So there is kind of this division between a Jewish families and kind of everybody else.
Dave Woldman [00:13:30] Yeah, but I was 13. It didn't matter.
Sarah Nemeth [00:13:32] But it didn't matter to you? Could you feel that, like.
Dave Woldman [00:13:35] Yeah, but I tried to avoid it, you know? It was like I was 13. If it was drama, if it was gonna give me headaches, I didn't want it. I was a kid. I wanted to have fun.
Sarah Nemeth [00:13:44] You're the 13-year-old guy, so.
Dave Woldman [00:13:45] Yeah.
Sarah Nemeth [00:13:46] You know, is there any places that you remember going that were more specifically Jewish other than temple, like maybe any restaurants or-?
Dave Woldman [00:14:00] Mawby's at Cedar and Lee? Best burgers in the city.
Sarah Nemeth [00:14:06] Could you describe what it looked like in Mawby's?
Dave Woldman [00:14:12] You open the door and walk into cigar smoke. One long counter running the length of the building with maybe seven or eight feet to the side of it. Griddles, you know, seats all along the counter on one side and full-length griddles and food preparation on the other. And just the madhouse.
Sarah Nemeth [00:14:35] There was a lot of people up there?
Dave Woldman [00:14:37] Yeah.
Sarah Nemeth [00:14:37] Were they mostly Jewish?
Dave Woldman [00:14:39] I couldn't tell you.
Sarah Nemeth [00:14:43] Any other, any other places that-?
Dave Woldman [00:14:47] Well, there were all the delis that were around. And mostly. Mostly my mom was a bad cook. So we either ate rotten food or we. And I mean poorly prepared food or we ate with my grandparents or, you know, we weren't rich, so we weren't going out all the time, so. Yeah.
Sarah Nemeth [00:15:14] Okay, so now you're 13 and you're running down to Coventry. We discussed that. It's kind of like completely new, completely different. What was the age range that- Do you remember? Like, how old people kind of looked to you when you were going down there?
Dave Woldman [00:15:34] All ages. A lot of- I don't know if I could really say. I just remember seeing a lot of people. There were all ages, all sorts of style of dress. So it was a very weird transition zone. Not quite a melting pot. Cleveland Heights had its areas of, whether it be nationality or religion, it had all these little pockets. You had the inner city. You had Little Italy. You had all these different war zones all around that you had to wonder, worry about. So at 13, did I notice all that? No. My recollection is it wasn't the students that I was going to school with. It was all sorts of people.
Sarah Nemeth [00:16:45] Were they friendly to you?
Dave Woldman [00:16:47] In general? No. People suck.
Sarah Nemeth [00:16:51] So everyone, you know, like, I get this picture sometimes talking to everyone and I feel that people think about the past kind of the rose colored glasses, like, oh, everyone was nice. And you walk down Coventry and-
Dave Woldman [00:17:04] Coventry? No, no, no. We're talking about the late sixties. And it was. It was like Ohio City used to be. It was like where the drunks. It was where the druggies. It was where the down-on-their-luck people ended up because rents were cheap, the area was not well off. It was rundown. It was tired. Usually, it seems in my experience, when the Jewish population starts moving, it's because it's worn out, it's done. And that's what was starting to happen in that area. Everybody was starting to migrate east.
Sarah Nemeth [00:17:48] Yeah, it seemed like the JCC, like, tried to stay ahead of the curve. Like they kept, like, trying to move before, like something happened.
Dave Woldman [00:18:00] Yeah, I think it was just as people got better footing, it was more to their benefit to move a little bit further east and get away from some of the problem areas. Whether it was what kind of people or what drugs were being used or noises or- There were lots of reasons everybody wants to constantly move up and better themselves. And it's, you know.
Sarah Nemeth [00:18:35] I mean, that's not unnatural of people just in general-?
Dave Woldman [00:18:37] Right.
Sarah Nemeth [00:18:40] So what else did you do? You mentioned going downtown.
Dave Woldman [00:18:48] Yeah, that was really fun. Exploring was, like, really fun. Seeing what you could get away with was really fun. People were a lot more- There was a different honor code than there is today. And people like Abby Hoffman and the underground radicals, the one who starts saying, this is how you make changes, that really started influencing a lot of people, especially kids, because stuff like Steal This Book or the Guerrillas Handbook, it was all about worry about yourself, screw everybody else.
Sarah Nemeth [00:19:31] What were those? I never heard of that before.
Dave Woldman [00:19:38] Abby Hoffman's Steal This Book was basically about rebellion, about how not to comply with the government. Because we grew up with nuclear drills. Bend your head over, get as low as you can under your desk, and basically kiss your ass goodbye. We were afraid on a daily basis that that bomb was coming. That affected people a lot. Vietnam was definitely in everybody's mind, and it was creating, between the government and the populace, it was creating some hassles, and there were some radicals that came out and started saying, this is how you fight back against it. Rip off everything you can, let them know that you're upset. And, hey, as a kid, it was real easy to take to heart.
Sarah Nemeth [00:20:31] Did you notice, like, other kids, like, kind of-
Dave Woldman [00:20:34] We had competitions.
Sarah Nemeth [00:20:36] Competitions to do what?
Dave Woldman [00:20:38] Obtain things.
Sarah Nemeth [00:20:43] Just from, like, different parts of the, like in the city? Or was your obtaining things centralized in a spot?
Dave Woldman [00:20:50] Yeah, it was centralized to a great extent. You know, I'd like to sound like I was all over the city, but I was like, stuck in my own little areas.
Sarah Nemeth [00:21:02] So as you, like, grew up and got older, did those feelings and did that intensify, like, joining- Like, what's happening in the seventies? Like, in the early seventies? What happened to you? Where did you go?
Dave Woldman [00:21:18] In 1969, which is about the same year that I was allowed to ride down a Coventry. I got hit by a car. It was a block away from my parents' house, and it kind of wiped out my leg for the summer. So the day we got out of junior high school for the summer, I got hit by the car. And one week before high school started, they took the cast off my leg and said, good luck. [laughs] So, yeah, no, I didn't have a shriveled leg, but I got hit broadside and broke both bones right under my knee. And they gave me this whole list of stuff that I was never going to be able to do. And I said, ah, thank you very much. Now I've got a checklist of things to do. So I was out to disprove that. I got really tired of the politics. I got involved with bicycle racing. There was a place in Chagrin Boulevard in Shaker Heights called Shaker Velo Sport. It was right around the corner from my house. I met the person, I started talking with them. I started proving myself. And the next thing I knew, I was a bicycle repairman. Then the next thing I knew is I was building wheels for the Cleveland Wheelmen. Then the next thing I knew, I was a chase driver for TORSO, Tour of the Southern Ohio River Valleys. This is all bicycle-related. I was one of those early guys with the tight, shiny pants and the weird jerseys riding around. I got a speeding ticket on a bicycle out in, out past Geauga Lake Park on Route 82. I was with another buddy. His name was Steve Johnson. Yeah, Steve Johnson. And we were race training. We were on track bikes. So nowadays they call them messenger bikes. No brakes, solid chain to the wheel and pedals. If you wanted to stop, it was all leg strength. And you literally lock your feet down on the pedals. You had cleats on the bottom of your shoes and then straps and pull those suckers tight. That way you could push down and pull up at the same time. And we did our training runs where we'd be a mile on full speed and then a mile cool down, mile on, mile off, mile on, mile off. And we were out on Route 82, headed east from Route 43, and there was a section of whoopty dupes, and then there's a long downhill, and we flew through the whoopty dupes. And we hit the top of the hill, and we both piled on it. And there was a state highway patrol car, and he was apparently doing the speed limit, and we bracketed him in, just went for it, and we heard him pick up his speed. We came off of the mile on, and we started cooling down, and a mile up, we went on it again, and the cop is still behind us. And we came down off of that on, and he hit his lights, and he goes, do you know how fast you guys were going? We're like, not a clue. [laughs] He goes, I clocked you at 57 at one point. And I'm like, really? He goes, 57 in a 35. I'm like, can you give me a ticket? He did. I've still got it.
Sarah Nemeth [00:25:07] I didn't even know that you could go that place on a bike.
Dave Woldman [00:25:10] I didn't- I got up on one of the wood tracks in Chicago. It was 1971, '72. Yeah, I was still in high school, so it had been before '72, and they had a motorcycle with a sheet of plywood strapped up on the back end to form a draft, and I was able to get up over 60 miles an hour behind him.
Sarah Nemeth [00:25:41] Oh, wow.
Dave Woldman [00:25:42] Yeah.
Sarah Nemeth [00:25:44] That's really intense.
Dave Woldman [00:25:45] Yeah, well, I weighed 100. I weighed 120 pounds, and all my muscles were in my legs. It was amazing.
Sarah Nemeth [00:25:56] So you were traveling around a lot, biking and doing things related to the bikes, like, what was happening, like, in your neighborhood?
Dave Woldman [00:26:07] Don't know. I was just. I just. I just had enough of it. You got to remember, this is the last years of the draft. The first year I was pulled in the draft, I was up over 300. Second year in the draft, I was in the 200s. In 1972. I was, like, number 14. So I was all ready to go to war, and I figured if I was going to Nam, I didn't feel like walking, so I gave up everything else I was doing at the time and got involved in Navy Sea Cadets, so at least I could go on a boat instead of walking. And I go in, at least as a lieutenant, JG was there, like, local.
Sarah Nemeth [00:26:50] Places that did, like, recruitment offices that you could join for that, or, like, how did you get hooked up with that?
Dave Woldman [00:27:06] I was involved with Boy Scouts. I was, like, one merit badge away from Eagle Scouts, and everybody started telling me with how I'd been behaving that I better do something quick. And it was pointed out to me, and I don't remember how. Yeah, there was recruitment offices. Did I ever go to them? No. Did I consider leaving for Canada at one point? Yeah, kind of but not really. So it was just easier for me to- Because I like to think I'm a patriot. I like to think I would have stood up and done the right thing. I figured if I was going to war, I'd rather have it be on my terms. And boats sounded a lot more interesting. There was a time period in high school which was '69 through '72, that I was the idiot that was running around in the American flag pants with the Beatles-style sergeant pepper's jacket with the patriotic top hat, you know. So I was a unique duck, even for them.
Sarah Nemeth [00:28:20] So what happens after high school?
Dave Woldman [00:28:24] Well, after high school, my best friend moved to Colorado and he said, and this is in '70, late '71. I actually would have graduated in '72, but I'll let that part go. My friend's family moved out to Denver, Colorado, and he said, oh, man, it sucks out here. There's nobody. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You ought to come out and visit at least. And one thing led to another, and I said, sure. And I ended up in Denver, what was supposed to be a two-week vacation. I stayed out there for over a year. It was kind of slick.
Sarah Nemeth [00:29:16] So Denver before it was like the cool place, or was it still the cool place to be?
Dave Woldman [00:29:21] It was starting. It was really firing up at that point in time. I think when I moved, when I went out there, they were complaining that they were getting like 1500 people a week moving to Denver. I mean, it was growing fast.
Sarah Nemeth [00:29:38] Yeah.
Dave Woldman [00:29:44] It was a real interesting time and place. In order for me to be able to stay out there, I had to get a job. I got a job at a machine company, a machine shop. My first day there, a bunch of guys looked at me, looked at my car, looked at me, looked at my car and said, how would you like to make a fortune this summer? And I'm. I'm in. What do I got to do? And they said, you don't have to do anything. Give us your car. And I'm like, why? And they showed me the engine and drive line they had already built, and they needed a car to put it in. And I had a beat to shit Ohio Camaro. They had an amazing engine that nowadays would be called a stroker motor, but it went a lot further than that. And I think I was earning 3.29 or 3.30 an hour working in the factory. And we made $33,000 with that car in five months. Yeah, it was built to deceive. I weighed 120 pounds, had a beard down to my belly button and a ponytail to match. My favorite way to dress was a pair of overalls and a pair of overalls and a pair of sandals, and that was it. And the car, once again, was built to deceive. If you'd never heard the car run, if you'd never seen it start up, and you'd never- It was built to screw with perceptions. It looked like a beat to hell Ohio Camaro, dents and dings and mist paint and ripped vinyl roof. But it was a wolf in sheep's clothing. It was an amazing process, how we'd set up our races, because one of the guys from the machine shop would always be right somewhere around where the deal was going on. And somehow one of these five guys ended up being the ones holding the money for the street race. Because usually once that car key got turned and that engine started firing up, people knew they were had. [laughs]
Sarah Nemeth [00:32:09] Well, that's like an interesting experience.
Dave Woldman [00:32:12] Yeah, it was. It was. But then that game ran out, and I ended up moving back to Cleveland. A bunch of friends and I ended up with a house on Cedarbrook in Cleveland Heights. We were still all hanging out in Cleveland Heights and on Coventry and all around the neighborhoods. And that's when Coventry really started changing. That's when places like the Waterbed Euphorium came in. You had Marsha with High Tide Rock Bottom. You had Rumpke[?] who was doing the jewelry work in her basement. You had the Leather Shop. You had Irv's Deli. You had Heights Pet World. I mean, there were so many exotic things there to go check out that were just nowhere else in the city. It was great.
Sarah Nemeth [00:33:00] So what was the difference between from when you first started going down there to when you returned from Colorado?
Dave Woldman [00:33:08] Three years, four years.
Sarah Nemeth [00:33:11] What would you like? If you had to say one thing, like, one word to describe the change, the difference you saw, what would it be?
Dave Woldman [00:33:21] Maturity, both on my part and on the street's part. Because by this time, the bikers had pretty much lost their grip on the area. The police had moved back in. Lot of drugs floating around. It was just the whole nature of civilization seemed to be changing. I mean, you no longer had- You no longer had the fear of Vietnam hanging over your head. You know, there's just a lot of things lightened up. Politics still sucked and all that. But at least on the street, things were easier. Things were-
Sarah Nemeth [00:34:02] Were the drunks and the druggies still there?
Dave Woldman [00:34:05] Always. They still are. [laughs]
Sarah Nemeth [00:34:09] Were they? I know that there is a lot of issues of loitering. And they used to make jokes about, like, mockery.
Dave Woldman [00:34:19] Then I'm guilty of it. Coventry started off as nobody cared. And then the drugs started coming in and, yeah, people would sit around on their asses and just go, wow, man, look at the world going by. But yeah, it wasn't until after, like, the street fair started and stuff that they really had some of the problems that were going on.
Sarah Nemeth [00:34:50] So, like, at first, before the street fair, so when was the first street fair?
Dave Woldman [00:34:55] I was living on Rock Court at the time, so that had been 70- '74? '75?
Sarah Nemeth [00:35:08] So when you first moved back, it was like more, like, free?
Dave Woldman [00:35:15] It was still a rundown neighborhood and it was just cooler stores. Stores that were more to what I was looking for than this. More so than a Sears or a Macy's or, I don't know, it was just different. It was more personal.
Sarah Nemeth [00:35:35] Could you maybe describe going to, like, what's the favorite or what's the place you frequented most often?
Dave Woldman [00:35:46] At what point?
Sarah Nemeth [00:35:47] Before you- Right after you returned
Dave Woldman [00:35:50] Okay. When I got back from Colorado, probably- Probably the favorite areas down on Coventry were, like, Irv's delicatessen, Heights Pet World, Record Revolution. I don't think the Record Exchange was open by that time. And Coventry Pizza.
Sarah Nemeth [00:36:19] Okay, so could you describe Irv's? Like, what was it like there?
Dave Woldman [00:36:23] Irv's was a rundown Jewish deli. You'd walk in and the salamis and the meats would be hanging and their cases would be laid out. And it was just a lot of noise, a lot of hubbub, a lot of smells. The food was solid. You knew when you ate at a deli because it sat heavy.
Sarah Nemeth [00:36:47] What type of people went there?
Dave Woldman [00:36:49] Everybody. Everybody. I mean, there was good deli. Food is hard to find in this world. And Irv's was one of the- Irv's was those one of the better of the worst ones.
Sarah Nemeth [00:37:08] So I heard there's a lot of, like, alleged prostitution and drug trafficking and, like, mob-related activities, or did you ever see anything like that going out of Irv's?
Dave Woldman [00:37:24] Out of Irv's?
Sarah Nemeth [00:37:25] Yeah.
Dave Woldman [00:37:28] I can't say that I saw anything out of Irv's other than food and attitudes. I wasn't looking for anything else at the time.
Sarah Nemeth [00:37:38] Okay. But I'm just, after reading the Coventry Village News or the newsletter. This happened more in the eighties, though. Like, they started to almost, like. I wouldn't say attack him, but it seems like it's almost witch hunting.
Dave Woldman [00:37:56] Well, it changed.
Sarah Nemeth [00:37:59] Oh. So, I won't jump then. I won't jump- [crosstalk] Let's keep going with the seventies. So what about Record Revolution? What was it like in there?
Dave Woldman [00:38:08] Record Revolution was, like, there was always music playing. There were all these records, you know? And no matter how hard you try, you can never listen to all the records. [thunder in background] And believe me, my friends and I, we tried between the upstairs with all the records and downstairs with all the used records and then the paraphernalia and the clothes and just finding people, like, with the same attitude as you. It was. It was an amazing place to be. You know, you could go in there and start talking music and just get lost for hours. It was- It was right what I needed at the time.
Sarah Nemeth [00:38:59] How were the records displayed? Like, did they have, like-
Dave Woldman [00:39:02] Yeah, paw-through bins. It's all it was. They had some glass cases, but it was all paw-through bins. And they had it styled out. You know, they had, like, blues, they had classical. You know, they had it arranged like most record stores.
Sarah Nemeth [00:39:19] What kind of- So they sold drug paraphernalia there?
Dave Woldman [00:39:24] Yeah. Rolling papers, basic pipes.
Sarah Nemeth [00:39:28] Okay, did they have those in a separate section, or were they, like, o
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