Abstract

Tom and Bertha Jones are longtime residents of the Cuyahoga County in Summit County. Tom and his father built Tamson Park in Peninsula, while Bertha was a township clerk. When the Cuyahoga Valley National Park was formed, the Joneses sold their home to the NPS, accepted a twenty-year residency, and now rent from the park. In this interview they share early memories of the Cuyahoga Valley, including social life in Peninsula in the 1940s-50s, the trains that ran through the village, and how Virginia Kendall Park looked more manicured when it was administered by the Akron Metro Park system. Tom Jones discusses how he got into photographing the Towpath, his key role in bringing Blossom Music Center to Cuyahoga Valley, and how the valley has seen the regrowth of forests and proliferation of wildlife since the park forms. The interview will be especially useful for those interested in assessing change and continuity in the Cuyahoga Valley across the mid-to-late 20th century.

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Interviewee

Jones, Bertha (interviewee); Jones, Tom (interviewee)

Interviewer

Nigro, Anthony (interviewer)

Project

Rivers Roads and Rails 2008

Date

6-19-2008

Document Type

Oral History

Duration

51 minutes

Transcript

Transcription sponsored by Cuyahoga Valley National Park

Anthony Nigro [00:00:00] Three years where we've got to...

Bertha Jones [00:00:02] Excuse me, he's very hard of hearing.

Tom Jones [00:00:04] Oh, I hear you.

Anthony Nigro [00:00:04] We've traveled the last three years like up and down the canal, went through the national parks and studied canals, the rivers that run through, watersheds, the train aspect, and then we're up to roads now. And now we're just interviewing different people of their recollections and what they've done and gone through in the area.

Tom Jones [00:00:28] Is our conversation only to be associated to the canal and railroad or to the Cuyahoga Valley in general?

Anthony Nigro [00:00:37] Yes, yours is a little different. Like some of the other people we've asked to this point have been associated with like the Cascade Locks or the West Creek. But you guys have a unique situation, so we've had to come up with different questions concerning your situation.

Tom Jones [00:00:55] Oh, oh.

Anthony Nigro [00:00:56] So they gave us a little bit of background about, you know, your long family history in the valley. You currently live in the park in the house that you rent from the parks. And it says you were a Truxell... From Truxell Road fame.

Bertha Jones [00:01:09] [Laughs]

Anthony Nigro [00:01:10] And you grew up in a duplex in the Jaite complex.

Bertha Jones [00:01:15] No, that's not true.

Tom Jones [00:01:15] She was born there.

Bertha Jones [00:01:17] I was born there. I didn't grow up there.

Anthony Nigro [00:01:19] Okay.

Tom Jones [00:01:19] But you lived your whole life, though, in Boston Township, haven't you?

Bertha Jones [00:01:22] Yes.

Anthony Nigro [00:01:23] Good. Well we'll let you guys share some of your history and stuff like... And when we get done, this is a release so like teachers can listen to the tapes or historians to try to gather information about how the park was formed and that kind of information.

Tom Jones [00:01:40] We were chuckling as we were walking in that about twenty or twenty-five years ago, her father did the same thing that we're doing now. Now we're the matriarchs. [laughs]

Anthony Nigro [00:01:54] Okay, this is Tony Nigro interviewing Mr. and Mrs. Jones. It is Tuesday, June 24th. When were you born?

Bertha Jones [00:02:05] I was born in 1938 in June, and I was born in Jaite, Ohio.

Tom Jones [00:02:12] I was born in Cuyahoga Falls in 1932.

Anthony Nigro [00:02:17] Okay, so you were born here. How did you two meet?

Tom Jones [00:02:23] My father and I were building a park that was called Tamsin Park on Route 8 in Boston Township. It was a swimming and picnic and eventually campground. I had graduated from Baldwin Wallace College and completed three years in the army during the Korean War. And then—so I was all finished with the military—we were building the park and we needed a a variance from zoning commission in Peninsula, the Boston Township Zoning Commission.

Bertha Jones [00:03:00] No, Boston Board of Appeals.

Tom Jones [00:03:02] Boston Board of Appeals. Thank you. So anyhow, we replied for the variance and I had to... And the meetings were getting very boring, but the beautiful young clerk for the board was getting more interesting. And eventually I asked her for a date and we were married a little later.

Anthony Nigro [00:03:27] Give me some family history that pertains to your homestead in the area, like family history in the Valley.

Tom Jones [00:03:35] Well, I didn't... I was not a resident of the Valley until I was about 24 or 25 years old when we moved from Cuyahoga Falls to Boston Township. But Bertha, of course, was born there and has lived there all her life. She's a true Valley girl.

Bertha Jones [00:03:54] I was born in Jaite. My grandparents lived in Peninsula. And I was raised in Peninsula in my grandparents' home on Bronson Avenue. Previous to living on Bronson Avenue, my grandparents had a farm on what is now Truxell Road and the area in which they had their farm. That was a sheep farm is now Camp Mannatech. My father was born in the old homestead house there at Camp Manitowoc, which still stands, and sometime later, after my grandfather sold the land and moved to Branson Avenue in Peninsula. I grew up there after I married Tom and I built a home on Truxell Road just about a half a mile from where my father was born. And we had that home there until we sold it to the National Park. And now we took 20 years residency there, thinking that that was a big house. We had five children and we wouldn't want that big house when the children were gone. But we still love the house. And so we elected to stay there. And since our 20 years is up, we rent there that same home that we built from a national park on what is called Virginia Kendall Park Road. It's an extension of Truxell Road.

Anthony Nigro [00:05:19] What did your family do in the area? I heard you say sheep farming. Any other things like other relatives?

Bertha Jones [00:05:26] My father was... He was an only child. They had had one stillborn child. He was educated at Ohio Northern University and John Marshall. He was an attorney. When he married, it was during the Depression and he elected to go to work at a machine shop where he stayed because it became more lucrative to him during the war. So he stayed there, but they no longer had the sheep farm. And my mother was a stay-at-home mom. Have I answered your question? [laughs]

Tom Jones [00:06:06] She worked at Jaite.

Bertha Jones [00:06:07] Oh, yes. My mother also worked at the Jaite paper mill for some time, and I believe my dad did too for a short time also.

Anthony Nigro [00:06:14] Okay. Can you give us any experiences, what it was like growing up in this area?

Bertha Jones [00:06:21] For me, growing up in Peninsula was just like being home. I never walked down the street day or night that I was frightened or afraid. We were a pretty isolated Valley town and we had our own grocery store, our own butcher, our own little sundry drugstore, and several taverns. Everybody I knew were friends. My high school class only had twelve students in it. We were... All the people in the Valley were very active at school because that was our recreation. It was our education and our extended family. I lived very close to just about a half a block to the school. Spent more time there than any place else ever. Everyone on the street played together. We lived on Bronson Avenue and we had all ages of children playing kick the can, baseball, sled riding down the hill on the tops of the big boys. Had extended family and friends in the Boston Township area down in the little village of Boston because there were children there that I went to school with. Our families were close. We often bought milk and butter from the farmers in Boston. I loved school and about fourth or fifth grade I decided I wanted to be a teacher after I graduated from high school. In high school, I was a cheerleader. I was president in my class and only because it was such a small school. Everybody participated in everything. [laughs] I was in the band and music. But it wasn't just me, it was everybody. After I graduated from high school, I went away to college at Ohio Northern, went to Kent State University, and went back to that very same school where I grew up and taught there for three years, taught there three years, and I got married and became a wife and eventually a mother still living in Boston Township.

Anthony Nigro [00:08:24] What are some of your favorite memories?

Bertha Jones [00:08:27] Of my childhood?

Anthony Nigro [00:08:28] Yes, and later on.

Bertha Jones [00:08:31] One of my favorite memories is my grandfather's garden. He loved the outdoors and had a wonderful way with plants. He had all kinds of roses and flowers and tea roses and peonies and grapes of all kinds and cherry trees and apple trees and a huge vegetable garden. He was quite a gardener and I don't have too much recollection of him because he died when I was six years old. My grandmother Truxell was an invalid and I can only remember her in bed. My grandfather and grandmother on the Kaczmarski side—that's my mother's side—were from Poland and didn't speak much English, but she was a very good cook. You asked me what part of my good memories were?

Anthony Nigro [00:09:26] Yeah.

Bertha Jones [00:09:26] I think the memories have to do with the community. My friends were all close. I can remember in the evening going out and playing hide and seek, playing kick the can. One time I climbed a tree in front of our house and fell down right down into the ditch and knocked the wind out of me, and everybody in the street that was out there came to help me. I never felt that I was alone. But most of my memories are related to school. I loved school. I loved my teachers. It was a place that I could always be and always feel safe. I ended up babysitting for several families in the community and enjoyed the children, the little children. I guess Christmases were very, very important in our family. And I think that at school, probably cheerleading was one of the most important things that I did.

Anthony Nigro [00:10:33] Okay.

Tom Jones [00:10:34] Was your grandfather Truxell the Truxell the road is named after?

Bertha Jones [00:10:39] Yes.

Tom Jones [00:10:40] Oh, it wasn't your father. It was your grandfather.

Anthony Nigro [00:10:43] It was my grandfather and grandmother that lived on Truxell Road.

Tom Jones [00:10:47] I see.

Anthony Nigro [00:10:50] What areas of the national park are some of your favorites to visit?

Bertha Jones [00:10:54] Oh, I'm going to let Tom answer that because he's a photographer and he has crawled that Valley up and down much more than I have. [laughs]

Tom Jones [00:11:06] Which areas?

Anthony Nigro [00:11:07] Yeah, which areas of the park?

Tom Jones [00:11:09] I love every inch of the park. Of course, I know the southern part of the portion of the park better because we live there. And I have known the Valley for a long time. On Bolanz Road there used to be, near Szalay's farm market, there used to be a farm there owned by the Bobek family. And I knew them very, very well. And when I was a small boy, we used to go there and buy vegetables and things from them. So I've had a relationship with the Valley all my life, even though I didn't live there. But when I retired, I was a... I retired from the, eventually, from the Postal Service, and I became interested in photography. And I've sort of become a park volunteer and many other things to supply the park with a lot of photographs. So I've covered the covered bridge and the railroad and all the waterfalls, lots of pictures on the park hiking trails and and many photographs of the Towpath. In fact, I photographed the entire Ohio and Erie Canal Towpath Trail from Lake Erie to Dover. And that's... Well, it took four years to do that. That was interesting. One of the most interesting things about our background probably is the reason we ended up here getting invited to do this, I was this winter at Dennis Hamm's office. Do you know Dennis?

Anthony Nigro [00:12:56] No, I don't.

Tom Jones [00:12:56] Okay, he works with the people who rent houses for the park. And he was talking to me about our contract for the year. And just a few days before I was in Dennis's office, there was an article in Akron Beacon Journal about Blossom Music Center selling off... I believe they had 800 acres and they were going to sell, I think, about 400 acres, something like that, which surprised everybody. But they didn't need the ground. And I just happened to mention to him that, I said, Dennis, you want to hear a very interesting story? And he said, sure. And I said, well in nineteen well, 1965, something like that, I said, at the time I was a musician playing part-time in the Cleveland Orchestra and I was at a rehearsal. And during the intermission of the rehearsal, Louis Lane, who was the associate conductor of the orchestra, came over and talked to me—he knew me—and he said, Tom, he says, the Musical Arts Association—that's the people who manage the orchestra—are looking for a ground for a summer home for the orchestra. And he said they have looked all over and they haven't found anything satisfactory. They've been looking mainly up in I think at that time, I think it was in Geauga County in that area northeast of Cleveland. And he says, I know that you live south of the orchestra and you know the Cuyahoga Valley. Do you know of anything down there that would be interesting? I said, well, right off hand I thought of the parcel that's on Akron-Peninsula Road across the street from Nathalie's Florist area. And I said it's a beautiful basin that's just perfect for a concert place. So anyhow, I told about it, then the orchestra checked it out, but it was too small. They wanted... They were talking hundreds of acres and eventually they did buy the... They got contact with a man named Darrel Seibert, who had... a builder who had control of six or eight hundred acres or something like that.

Bertha Jones [00:15:20] And was a friend of ours.

Tom Jones [00:15:20] And yeah, and we knew him because we were both in Cuyahoga Falls. So anyhow, the Cleveland Orchestra moved to the Cuyahoga Valley area because of just that one little conversation that Louis Lane and I had. That it was just one of those strange things that worked out. And here we have Blossom Music Center. Now, that was about 15 years before the Valley became a national park.

Bertha Jones [00:15:49] And asking about my favorite place, we live across the street from the Ledges on Truxell Road. And my father used to tell me stories about walking from the farm through the Ledges to what is now Akron-Cleveland Road where there was a small school to go to school. So I enjoy the Ledges and I enjoy going up there and walking around and and, you know, thinking of him mostly. He also told me about times after that. They had graduated that school and they were going to school in Peninsula where he would take the horse and the wagon and pick up students on the way and bring them to school in Peninsula. Those are fond memories for me. And so that's all kind of tied in with that area around the Octagon Shelter and the lake. And of course, the lake was built by the CC [CCC, or Civilian Conservation Corps], so that was a lot later than he lived there in the Ledges area.

Tom Jones [00:16:45] Are you familiar with the park?

Anthony Nigro [00:16:50] A little bit.

Tom Jones [00:16:50] Okay. Do you know where Truxell Road is and Camp Manatoc? Well... Now, Mr. Truxell, her father, and I were very, very close. We were just great friends and I spent a lot of time with him.

Bertha Jones [00:17:00] My father had no sons, so Tom was his son.

Tom Jones [00:17:04] So he used to talk a lot about—and I was always interested—about the Valley and life in there. But when he was born there, the area that is now Camp Manatoc, which is totally forested, it's, you know, big trees, it's a massive forest area. And he would walk from there out to State, to Route 8...

Bertha Jones [00:17:29] Which is State Road.

Tom Jones [00:17:29] State Road.

Bertha Jones [00:17:30] It's Akron-Cleveland Road.

Tom Jones [00:17:31] To school, to a little one-room schoolhouse, and he said when he walked from his house to this one-room schoolhouse—that's the full length of the Truxell Road—tt was all farms and there was no forest, no trees at all. Totally gone. And it's interesting. Now that was in one man's lifetime. He lived to be 76...

Bertha Jones [00:17:49] 78.

Tom Jones [00:17:49] 78 years old, and within his lifetime of 60, 70 years a forest grew up there. It's amazing.

Anthony Nigro [00:17:57] Yes, it is. What other areas of the park used to be privately owned by your family?

Bertha Jones [00:18:06] None.

Anthony Nigro [00:18:09] Okay. How did selling of your property to the parks take place?

Bertha Jones [00:18:17] Well, they came to us one day and said that our property was in the confines of their area to take for the national park. And did we want to sell it? And we said no. And they said, well, that's too bad, because by eminent domain, we're going to have you sell your property, which we did. We were so in favor of the park and realized that we could go for rent free and our mortgage would be paid off. And we had children going into college. It was eventually a good thing for us. Now, it's not such a good thing. We would rather have the house and have taken it as a... You... We had the choice of taking a life expectancy. And because the house is large and it is isolated from other people, we felt that we would, as we grew older, not need it. But now we love it so much, we really don't want to move. [laughs] But that's what happened. It was an eminent domain process.

Tom Jones [00:19:23] Before the park was there, you know, we never there were no coyotes in the Valley. We didn't... We seldom saw deer, no wild turkeys or anything. And all of these wild animals now have come in. And every morning I get up in the early part of June, look out the dining room window to see if there's a fawn being born right there by the... Which happens quite often. And this morning we saw, no yesterday morning.

Bertha Jones [00:19:47] Yesterday morning. Turkeys.

Tom Jones [00:19:48] At the front and...

Bertha Jones [00:19:49] We always see deer.

Tom Jones [00:19:51] So we do love it now. But at the time when we had just built the house and lived there only about five or six years when the park came in, when we first heard about [it], we were really upset.

Bertha Jones [00:20:06] Yeah.

Tom Jones [00:20:06] But in the long run, it has worked out. The park rangers are very kind to us and when we're away, they'll keep an eye on things.

Bertha Jones [00:20:15] Yeah. We built the house in 1970.

Tom Jones [00:20:18] So it's just... It's worked out very, very nicely.

Anthony Nigro [00:20:22] Were there are efforts made to prevent the park from taking the land by others?

Tom Jones [00:20:30] Oh yes.

Bertha Jones [00:20:31] Yes. [laughs].

Tom Jones [00:20:32] People in the Cuyahoga Valley didn't give up easily. [laughs]

Bertha Jones [00:20:36] And it's kind of a shame. I often tell Tom, as a teenager I could have driven two, or a young adult, driven to Akron and come home. And if I'd had car trouble or for any reason we're stranded, I knew everybody from Peninsula to Cleveland and I would have no problems with going door to door and asking for help. Now all I see where those homes were and those families were are weeds. It's growing up into trees and woods. And when I drive through the Valley, I have different memories. I have memories of who lived here, who lived there, what their names were, what their children was, what my association was with them. It's a little sad. And I, I kind of feel that it's sad for many of the people who gave up their homes—in fact, I know it is, having spoken to some of them—for the park. But those same people now come back to the park and use it also.

Tom Jones [00:21:35] Yeah, it's exciting to be in Peninsula on a Saturday or Sunday.

Bertha Jones [00:21:39] Yeah! [laughs]

Tom Jones [00:21:39] There are more people like on the canal now than there were when the canal was operating. I'm sure.

Anthony Nigro [00:21:50] What did the park do to make the transition easier? Did they do anything to help make the transition east when, through the whole process?

Tom Jones [00:22:01] Well, they were very kind and accommodating through everything.

Bertha Jones [00:22:03] To us, you mean?

Anthony Nigro [00:22:04] Yes.

Tom Jones [00:22:05] Yes.

Bertha Jones [00:22:06] Well, do they? Where we did have one snag. They offered us a price which we thought really wasn't...

Tom Jones [00:22:15] The market.

Bertha Jones [00:22:18] The market price for the house. And I have a very good... My father's best friend was Ernie Genovese, so he was a... Born in the Valley, became an attorney. They went to school together and he was an attorney in Akron. And so my dad said, why don't you call Ernie? So we called Ernie and he said, don't worry about it, I'll take care of it. We got a very good price and an excellent price. We were able to keep the land for a while during this transition. And in fact, Ernie never charged us anything for all the work that he did. And I know he did that for a lot of people in the Valley, but they were very kind to us. There was no pressure, particularly, you know, the relationship was good, except that we felt, and they finally agreed, that we needed more income from the property.

Tom Jones [00:23:14] We had a little... We had a quite a different view and background than most of the people in the Valley. There are some of the Valley residents that moved in in the '40s and '50s and '60s were new to the Valley and they were more cosmopolitan. But a lot of the old timers that lived in Peninsula and the farmers and all that were local people and had not traveled much. Well, when we were married, we were traveling all the time. With our business at Tamsin Park, it was closed seven months of the year, so we would... We went everywhere. We practically visited every national park and all that. So we had a great love and admiration of the national parks and our our Department of the Interior. But when I began to see the growth in Cleveland south in the Valley, the area where the big bridge goes over, what is that Route 8?

Bertha Jones [00:24:16] [I-]480, I think.

Tom Jones [00:24:16] 480? And industry starting to move down towards Rockside Road. And in Akron, they started to go up the Valley with buildings and all of that. And I realized that this beautiful Valley isn't going to last. So we did get together with a few other people, like-minded types in the area, and did a few programs or at least one program that I remember in particular at the Peninsula Library and made a presentation of what is our choice here. Are we... And at the same time, they were talking at that time of making a new limited-access highway from Akron to Cleveland through the Cuyahoga Valley. And...

Bertha Jones [00:25:06] They'd already put in the large electrical line system.

Tom Jones [00:25:13] Yes, Ohio Edison had that in...

Bertha Jones [00:25:13] Which we hated from the very beginning, and we thought maybe we could, you know, keep from having a lot more of that type of thing go through.

Tom Jones [00:25:22] So eventually we did this show and there were a lot of people that came and it was the first time they had ever thought about the Cuyahoga Valley being a park or set aside. And what I had in mind and a few other people was something under the auspices of the Akron Metropolitan Park system. Maybe ilike an expansion of Virginia Kendall Park and all that, and something under the control of Cleveland, but not anything on the level of a national park. So when that happened, we were delighted with that because we knew the Valley would be protected. And of course, it was a National Recreation Area at first. Then when it was upgraded, then it became under a more restricted and better controlled preservation, things like that. The park has been run very well. We visited a lot of national parks and most of them are suffering financially. The facilities are in bad shape, septic systems...

Bertha Jones [00:26:20] And roads.

Tom Jones [00:26:20] Toilets and ranger homes, and you go to visit the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, and yeah it's a disgrace to this nation what's happening. But Cuyahoga Valley has, because of its high visitation, it's funded a little bit better than some of the others. And it's been a joy to see the good job that they're doing at the park.

Bertha Jones [00:26:43] Also, our children—we had five children—were very recreation--minded. They skied. They all were raised down near that ski run. From seventh grade through twelfth grade, they taught down there, ski lessons, and they were ski patrols and bike riders. So we were accustomed in their teenage years to a lot of recreation, and we thought it would be a recreation area. It hasn't expanded as much as we thought it would, but that lent us to agree with it much more also.

Anthony Nigro [00:27:15] So what year did it go from being a recreation area into a national park?

Bertha Jones [00:27:20] Oh, whew...

Tom Jones [00:27:20] I'm not sure.

Bertha Jones [00:27:26] I wouldn't... It wasn't too long.

Tom Jones [00:27:29] I'm guessing 1995.

Bertha Jones [00:27:31] I was gonna say about ten years ago, but I don't know for sure. I wouldn't be able to be quoted on that.

Anthony Nigro [00:27:36] Okay. When did you become interested in photography?

Tom Jones [00:27:42] When I was in the Army. I bought my first camera while I was in the service and, which was a very nice camera which right now is at the bottom of a lake in the...

Bertha Jones [00:27:54] Boundary Waters.

Tom Jones [00:27:55] In the Boundary Waters of Minnesota. [laughs] I fell out of a canoe with the thing in my hand.

Bertha Jones [00:28:00] [Laughs]

Tom Jones [00:28:00] But anyhow, I owned a camera all my life and took pictures and all that. Then when I retired, the they had already organized the Cuyahoga Valley... [crosstalk] The National Park Association had organized the Cuyahoga Valley Photographic Society, and they were offering some weekend courses with the biggest names in the world coming in. Art Wolfe and David Muench and...

Bertha Jones [00:28:33] Schell.

Tom Jones [00:28:34] And Robert Glenn Ketchum, all that. So I thought, well this sounds pretty nice. So I start taking some courses. And then I then I met Jim Roetzel, who was a teacher of photography at Hudson High School, and he was the one, I believe, one of the founders of the camera club, the society. So he just opened my eyes to photography and things just blossomed out. So now, and now it has become a very important part of keeping me from getting any older. [laughs]

Bertha Jones [00:29:09] Well, plus it it augments our income.

Tom Jones [00:29:13] Yes. Yeah, I always... I make scenic notecards of the Cuyahoga Valley, little green cards, and I have them in little racks in twenty different stores in the area.

Anthony Nigro [00:29:26] When did you first begin photography in that area?

Tom Jones [00:29:29] Photographing the area?

Anthony Nigro [00:29:31] Yes.

Tom Jones [00:29:31] Well, when we built Tamsin Park, I did a lot of photography there for our brochure and advertising and things like that.

Bertha Jones [00:29:40] It was in the '50s.

Tom Jones [00:29:41] We were... We were at Muir Woods. It's a little Redwood grove just north of San Francisco, across the Golden Gate Bridge. We were standing in there and looking and we saw some nice postcards and greeting cards that were made by local photographers. And she made the comment that we already had the National Recreation Area, Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area. We already have that established. And she said to me, Tom, there aren't any postcards or any pictures of the park available anywhere. You ought to try that. So we came home and I made one card with a picture of Brandywine Falls, went over to Saywell's Drugstore in Hudson, and they said, wow, we'd like to sell it. And so eventually I think I made about ten different pictures of of different waterfalls and the covered bridge and all that. And they have sold very well. Now I sell about ten or twelve thousand of them a year and hand make every one of them.

Bertha Jones [00:30:41] But you have more than ten pictures.

Tom Jones [00:30:42] Now, yeah, I have over over probably 200 different...

Bertha Jones [00:30:46] Images.

Tom Jones [00:30:47] Images now. The Photographic Society has turned out to be an outstanding organization. I don't think there's any group of photographers that are as of high caliber as this group in all of the state of Ohio. I go around, do a lot of, in the wintertime slide shows on Cuyahoga Valley and see the work of others all over, and Cuyahoga Valley Photographic Society is excellent.

Anthony Nigro [00:31:20] Is there somewhere people can see your photography?

Tom Jones [00:31:25] Well, at eight Acme Stores, six Giant Eagle stores, some drugstores, Mustard Seed Market at Solon, in Solon and at Montrose.

Bertha Jones [00:31:42] Learned Owl bookstore in Hudson, Sheraton Suites in Cuyahoga Falls, so... We aren't in card shops.

Anthony Nigro [00:31:55] Why did you decide to donate so many of your pictures to the National Park?

Tom Jones [00:32:00] Decide to do what?

Anthony Nigro [00:32:00] Donate so many of your pictures to the National Mall?

Tom Jones [00:32:04] Well, the volunteers are important for... You know, the big money has to go to the full-time professionals that run and maintain a national park. And I think it's... I'm an old fashioned person. When I grew up, when we studied civics in high school, it was about being a part of a community and donat

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