Abstract
Marilyn Anthony was born in Cleveland and describes growing up in Ohio City. She remembers the various European enclaves that were present in the area, specifically mentioning Hungarians and Gypsies. She shares her experiences of walking to the West Side Market, bakeries, butchers, and other local shops. Anthony also mentions her relationship to the multitude of ethnic Catholic churches in the area. Finally, Anthony discusses the changes in the neighborhood and how it impacted residents.
Interviewee
Anthony, Marilyn (interviewee)
Project
Project Team
Date
9-13-2006
Document Type
Oral History
Duration
35 minutes
Recommended Citation
"Marilyn Anthony interview, 13 September 2006" (2006). Cleveland Regional Oral History Collection. Interview 999022.
https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/crohc000/984
Transcript
Marilyn Anthony [00:00:00] Good.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:00:00] So I’m going to start off. If I can get you to– This is Emma Yanoshik-Wing, and it is September 13, 2006. [crosstalk] And if I can just get you to introduce yourself into the microphone, your name, and maybe where we are today.
Marilyn Anthony [00:00:20] Oh, I’m Marilyn Anthony, and we’re in the inner city of Cleveland in my little house in the Near West Side.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:00:37] Okay. I was getting– It was coming out of the microphone. I wasn’t aware of that. [crosstalk] So now, when we talked before at the Ingenuity Festival, you were telling me about being born and raised on the Near West Side.
Marilyn Anthony [00:00:50] Yes.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:00:51] And you talked a little bit about what it was like growing up. What year were you born, if you don’t mind me asking?
Marilyn Anthony [00:01:00] [laughs] Ooh. You get down to the basics very quickly, don’t you? [laughs] [crosstalk] 1935.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:01:06] And where exactly? What was the address?
Marilyn Anthony [00:01:10] I was born in the old Fairview Park Hospital, which used to be located on 33rd and Franklin there. It has since become the county nursing home, and since now, I guess, it’s been torn down. But at the time I was born, Fairview Park, of course, built a new hospital way out there in Fairview Park.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:01:35] And where did your family live? What was your family’s address?
Marilyn Anthony [00:01:42] Well, we kind of junketed around the Near West Side. We lived on Jay Avenue. There’s a hotel, big yellow hotel there, which is still there. I don’t remember the address of it there, but it’s very close to 25th Street there. And it was across the street from the infinite Miller’s Cave, the worst bar on the Near West Side there. So you saw lots of action going on there. [laughs] And then we moved over to Woodbine, which is about four blocks away, and then over to John Avenue, which is on the flip side of Woodbine. They come to a point, and there used to be a Kaase’s bakery there. We haven’t heard the word Kaase’s bakery, which used to be very popular for a long, long, long time. Used to be a day-old bakery there, and the kids all used to gather up. This lady was really nice. She used to hand us out donuts and things there. [crosstalk] Yeah, yeah, Nobody’s heard of it now, but it used to be very– You had two or three of them, and they were known that this, I think, was day-old outlet store, a day-old bakery. But they used to be pretty famous there for their good bakery, I think bakeries then, all the bakeries were a little bit better back then because they used pure products there. They were European. And Europeans don’t use oleo and, you know, these kinds– [crosstalk] Yeah. But all appeared, you know, the butter, real butter, a real cream, real this, real that. Where they came into some more artificial products later on. To us old guys, it just isn’t as satisfactory.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:03:40] Was your family a big family?
Marilyn Anthony [00:03:43] No, no. I would have had maybe a couple of brothers and sisters, and my mother lost them in early infancy and she miscarried one. I was a family of one. Me, myself, and I. [laughs]
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:04:01] Were there many kids in the neighborhood, though, to grow up with?
Marilyn Anthony [00:04:05] Yeah, yeah, we. And we all had European parents, so it used to be kind of a joke because we didn’t think anything what we were wearing–[laughs] But the rest of the world looked at us like, oh, my God. [laughs] Because back then, you know, your European parents bought you things so you can grow into them and for durability and wearable-ness. And we come out with Oxford shoes where everybody else is wearing the little loafers. And when I went to high school, I had black. The popular thing was the white bucks. Well, of course I had black because white was harder to keep up. And all that there, and all the clothes. We all look like kind of like DPs [displaced persons] here, [laughs] but we all played outside and that.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:04:54] Where was your family from? You said? [crosstalk]
Marilyn Anthony [00:04:57] Hungary. Hungary. The flag outside. That’s the Hungarian flag.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:05:03] And did they come or were they– [crosstalk]
Marilyn Anthony [00:05:07] My parents– My mother was born– Actually, she was born within three miles of the American shoreline. So she was a citizen. [laughs] And my grandmother and grandfather, they became citizens after a while? Well, no, I don’t think my grandfather did, but my grandmother did. Eventually she became a citizen.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:05:29] Your mother was actually born while on the boat?
Marilyn Anthony [00:05:32] On the boat.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:05:33] Oh, wow.
Marilyn Anthony [00:05:34] Yeah, yeah. But within five miles, I guess you are a citizen. So she was born within three miles. [laughs] My grandmother waited, so here you are. So you are a citizen there. So she didn’t have any problems. She didn’t have to become a citizen. She automatically was.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:05:55] What port did they come into?
Marilyn Anthony [00:05:59] I’m not quite sure. I think it was New York. She didn’t talk about it much. She just– Of course, my mother was– My mother and father both worked, so her life was literally in a hurry. Hurry up and go to work in the morning. Hurry up and come home. Hurry up and make dinner. Hurry up. And she didn’t– She didn’t talk about her childhood or anything like that. I have pictures in that, if you want to see some neat pictures. I’ve got my great grandmother and great grandfather tintypes. There were- He’s sitting in the chair, and she’s standing up. They’re holding on to him here is like the king and the throne and the little page alongside.[laughs] They’ve changed that since there. But that’s how they did it back in the back in those days there.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:06:55] What did your parents do?
Marilyn Anthony [00:06:58] My father, my- Well, I had a stepfather, my father. Not quite sure what he did, because he- When I was two, they separated, and my stepfather drove truck. Drove a truck, and he worked at the- There used to be a packing house up on 65th Street called Swift Packing House. The animals are all out there and everything. He used to work up there, and then he became a truck driver because it closed down. He had his chauffeur’s license, and he was also- His license was so old back, way back in the day, driver’s licenses were like metal coins. And he had the metal coin in his wallet there always. I mean, I can’t tell you how far back that one came from because he started driving when he was something like 16 years old. He was born in 1911, but, yeah, he had the metal coin in his wallet. And it’s the first time I’ve ever seen one. It’s the last time I’ve seen one.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:08:02] And what did your mother do?
Marilyn Anthony [00:08:05] She worked. Well, she worked piecework. There used to be, off of Detroit, a place called National Carbon, made batteries. The building, I think they’re converting it around there. They’re putting some park in there, and they’re putting some kind of a housing thing in there and that. But it used to be a great big place that made all kinds of batteries, Eveready batteries. And she used to work piecework. A woman could, she come home and she was still working piecework,[laughs] And then she worked at National City Bank for another 30 years and became one of the department heads there. [crosstalk] Downtown, yeah. She had an affinity for being able to handle all kinds of things at once. And she would be- They’d be coming up and asking her questions about all the different departments, and she’d be answering. And meantime, she’d be doing- She’s very, very good at multitasking. And she was still working at 72. They called her back in to work because of that. And she knew the filing system and all that, too. She taught them. They literally didn’t know how to file. I can’t imagine that. But.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:09:30] How old where you when your mother worked. [audio issues]
Marilyn Anthony [00:09:34] Sorry.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:09:43] Okay, and we’re back recording now. When your mother worked downtown or out at the battery plant, do you remember how she would get there?
Marilyn Anthony [00:09:56] By bus. By bus. My mother didn’t drive till she was something like 56 years old. And she learned how to drive. And I was always sorry about that.[laughs] Cause mama, I love my mama dearly, but I used to pray. Oh, mama, please don’t crawl in that car. [laughs] She’s had a temper and something make her mad [imitates engine noise] [laughs] she beware mama’s coming.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:10:30] Was Hungarian spoken at home?
Marilyn Anthony [00:10:34] No, my mother was one of those that didn’t have a lot of patience for foreigners that were here for 20 or for a long, long time. Made a home here, a permanent home here. And then didn’t bother to pick up the language. And they couldn’t ask where a street was or a bathroom or, you know, where anything was, or get themselves around town because they couldn’t speak the language. So she said, she told me, oh, you were in America, you speak English, and that’s all you speak. I picked up some Hungarian, but I haven’t kept it much because I live in a neighborhood now that’s of another ethnic persuasion here. And it just isn’t around, that’s all. There would be nobody to talk to. I have one friend that speaks Hungarian, but we don’t see each other that often, that we can converse. I never could really converse because I never got a working use of the language. I wish I would have, though.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:11:33] Was it spoken in the neighborhood, even if it wasn’t spoken at home?
Marilyn Anthony [00:11:36] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, this neighborhood was totally different. Here we had total European, Czech, Slovak, German. Up the street was a Hungarian church. Around the corner on 30th was a German church. Up on Scranton was another German church. We had up in past Clark. There was another, I think that was Czech, Polish, or something like that there. It’s extinct. And of course, we have St. Rocco’s up here, which is Italian. The neighborhood used to be predominantly, a lot of Italian. Up and down Clark Avenue. There you had Italian clubs and groceries and population up like Fulton Road. Now the Italians have a lot of them moved out of the neighborhood, and they come in. They still come into the church every Sunday and that and for events from further out.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:12:36] Is that the— I guess what church is affiliated with the- Like those old cemeteries back there that I would have driven by?
Marilyn Anthony [00:12:44] St. Mary’s is over in the valley there. That’s. They have no real affiliation with any church. They’re just St. Mary’s. It’s been there, I got to say, that was 100 years old, at least.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:12:59] It was beautiful. I came around, you know, up a street. [crosstalk] I was like, oh, what a little treasure.
Marilyn Anthony [00:13:06] Yeah, Riverside is pretty, too. Here. It’s off of 25th Street there, and it has an upper level and then a valley that you go around. It’s just peaceful to drive around and just look around.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:13:21] Can you- I mean, you’ve talked about the changes, and when we spoke before, you said a little bit about, there was a Gypsy population in the neighborhood?
Marilyn Anthony [00:13:32] Oh, yes. Oh, yes. You could hear them down around. The market house used to be all different because they had the feed and seed store where the kids used to have- That was a derring-do thing there because they had whole barrels of dog biscuits and things. Well, animal food, all animal food. Dog biscuits and all this. And the kids would steal a dog biscuit and eat it and think they were really being big, but brave. Oh, look at me. I ate it. And then next to that was a tiny little bar, and it was a Gypsy bar. And they were in costume always. Saturday morning, it was custom to go over with your market bags from after you got through shopping at the market house. You dragged over there and got. They had steak sandwiches and good sandwiches and of course, your beer, and listen to the Gypsies. And they’d be around there with their violins. Or once in a while when the Gypsies would die in our neighborhood, and they would- They processed from the house to whatever cemetery that this fellow or woman was being buried at through the streets, and they’d all be playing their violins and that. So that happened just every once in a while you’d see them all coming down the street, and they didn’t ask the city’s permission or anything. They just got out there and blocked traffic [laughs] and went where they were going. Oh, just once in a while you’d come out there and here we go, you see this caravan of Gypsies with their violins and all that, carrying this person to wherever it is. Whatever cemetery. Hopefully the cemetery was close. [laughs]
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:15:13] What else was around the market? What was that?
Marilyn Anthony [00:15:18] The market house? Well, the stores were different because at one time, the market house wasn’t where it was. It was across the street where the- It’s a bank now, I think it used to go through. And my grandmother was up and moving then, and she wasn’t that mobile toward the end there. She didn’t walk around places like she used to, but used to go through there at the end. It used to be able to pass all the way through. Now, of course, they blocked it off for stores and that. And the butcher shop, the butcher tables would be all out right out there. Now, of course, when they got the market house over there, it. They have cases with glass and everything, so it’s a little more sanitary, but- And then in the back there used to be the egg house, and right next to there would be a department store called Freezing Chilies. This is old, old, old with elevators with people in them that ran the elevators.[laughs] And behind there was the egg house. There was a garage that they sold eggs out of, and then that, of course, moved next to the open air market. And the open air. Open air market, they didn’t have. The open air market was there. And you just went. You crossed streets there in order to get what you wanted. But you can get your chickens back out of the garage there and the eggs and all that from behind there. And there used to be. Oh, yes, the RB bakery. God bless the RB bakery. Broken cookies, two pounds for a quarter. That saved my hide with my kids there a lot. And they had a huge fire. Behind the RB bakery was also a warehouse where the bicycle company stored their bicycles and that. And they had a huge fire and the whole place was just ruined. And I don’t think there’s anything there now. Anything that, you know, the public goes to now, it’s just sitting there and it’s changed. Used to be a Salvation Army next to that, and, well, now, of course, they’ve built a supermarket now and the whole. All the streets are revamped and that. Because St. Ignatius. All those were through streets and St. Ignatius was just- There used to be a church, a Catholic church over there, corner of Carroll and 30th. And that whole street used to be a through street to Lorain. Now it is- And St. Ignatius is revamped it. They blocked that all out. It’s kind of a little park for the boys and that. They took— It’s wild because they took the church down to make a school building and then took a school building down to make a church because they built a chapel over there by Lorain Avenue now. And that used to be all stores. And that used to be a violin- A place where they, they restrung violins and that. And little cigar shop and little- What else was in there? Wallpaper place and some other stores. Then across the street there was a bowling alley. That turned into the Catholic, some Catholic outreach place of some kind.[crosstalk] Oh, jeepers. My concept of time is- Let’s see. Okay, I have my house. I had a house down there and I moved here and some, like, I got my degree in ’77 and moved here. So it’s somewhere around- The bowling alley was still there, I think, in ’77. I think, that’s a ballpark figure, a big ballpark. And the- Yeah, they- When the church would- The kids, trying to think of passing the church when the kids were small. It’s good. Good for like 30 years ago that the church was still up 30, 35. Because my children, we used to go up the West Side Market. I had a house on the corner of Fulton and Carroll, so we used to walk up to the West Side Market every, every Saturday with a wagon or with a slider with something you could haul groceries and kids on. The littlest kid. And we used to pass because it was kind of funny. We were going to the West Side Market there. One winter. This is just by the by. And my young son, I had a sled. It was rigged up with a box so that I could put groceries in and him at the same thing. God. Haul the sled along. And the snow was up on St. Mary’s Church and of course it had sloped, a sloped roof. And I’m just walking along and all of a sudden I heard whomp. And I turned around and the snow had come off the roof and buried my son.[laughs] And he yelled. [laughs] He was scared to death and scared. And of course, I had a hold of the ropes. I just pulled him out of there. But it just scared living daylights out of him because it just. [laughs] No noise, just whoop. And the kids. Where’s my brother? [laughs] Because I buried him. Just totally buried him. Just thank God I had a hold of the rope of the sled so that all I had to do is just keep pulling and I get him out of there. I had to go digging for some groceries because I lost a couple of them in the rubble.[laughs] [crosstalk] Altogether? I had nine children. I didn’t. Good Lord. Didn’t see fit to let me keep them, though. I lost six of them in babyhood or infancy or Stillborn, and then the last one died. My granddaughter’s mother, who I raised here, died five years ago. Six years ago. Good Lord. ’88. That’s eight years ago. ’89. Yeah. Seven.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:22:07] [pause] I’ve been reading some articles, and during, like, the 1950s, that area around West 25th, all the newspapers, they refer to it as “Rowdy Row.”
Marilyn Anthony [00:22:22] Oh, yes. Oh, yes. [laughs]
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:22:24] Did it deserve that name?
Marilyn Anthony [00:22:25] Yes, it did. It still deserves that name, actually. It’s still pretty rough down there. The Metro housing wasn’t there. I don’t think that building was there at all. It was just starting to come together.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:22:49] The one across from the hospital on 25th?
Marilyn Anthony [00:22:51] Yeah, yeah. That had- That’s relatively relatively new. Yeah, it probably wasn’t there then. And I had a row of little shops and little places there, and then they had the street around the bend. Used to be a little bar called the Snake Pit. Oh, boy. A lot of stuff came out of the Snake Pit, and there’ll be a lot of stuff you don’t know came out of the Snake Pit because it was rough. It was real rough down in those streets and that, down the Flats and that. There was a lot of things. Things went on down there that the police will never know what really happened. Dark, dark part of our city, but it was rough. Yes.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:23:45] Do you remember, I guess, hearing what, the reaction of the shop owners along 25th, what was their kind of reaction to this kind of rough and tumble?
Marilyn Anthony [00:24:02] Some of them are doing some payoffs so that they didn’t get as much rough and tumble as the rest of them did, and the rest of them just kept quiet. You know, this is what’s going on. We raised too much sand about it. We’re going to have problems here. So just status quo.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:24:22] Was there a point where it changed? Do you remember?
Marilyn Anthony [00:24:29] Well, it quieted down there. The, with the housing project down there. It quieted down some. It’s still a little rough down there. And the, this nightclub here that they have now is not helping things any. They have a little. It’s similar to the- What was the one on the east, east side that was closed up? Not-
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:24:54] Well, they just closed down Moda, which-
Marilyn Anthony [00:24:56] Was one of the places. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s causing a lot of problems. Yeah. Well, that’s, that’s the one on the west side here. That didn’t help a thing.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:25:09] Now, were you living, where were you living, I guess when the people started referring to it as Ohio City, were you?
Marilyn Anthony [00:25:19] Oh, Ohio City.[laughs] I guess Ohio City, when they first started out, had a good thing in mind. They wanted to upgrade the neighborhood. I’m taking it that this is what their motive was. I don’t particularly- I suppose I shouldn’t say this, but I’m not particularly fond of the Ohio City movement. I had a city, I had a home down there in the Ohio City, and I would have not sold that to them. I would have not at all let my house go to Ohio City, because Ohio City, for one thing, they underbought whatever the price of the house was, they paid less for it. The next thing they did was take out all the antiques, which a lot of those houses did have a lot of antique things in there. They set up a place and sold the antiques. Then the next thing they’d do is knock out a wall and make whatever. If the house was a five-room house, they’d make it a four-room house and fancy it up a little bit and revamp it. And then, of course, nobody that lived there could ever afford to live in that house anymore, because then the price of and the rent in that went up so high that they had literally, they didn’t help out the poorer people. They just pushed them someplace else. That’s all. They had to go scouting around for someplace they could afford to live because they were basically in the same position that they were when Ohio City went in. But, yeah, my house eventually went to Ohio City because I had sold it to a Bishop of a little Orthodox church, and he revamped it a little bit, and then he sold it to a realtor who let Ohio city have it, which I just would rather not.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:27:22] Are you talking about- I mean, did it actually go- I mean, was it the Ohio City Redevelopment Corporation? Was it the actual, like, group that was buying up these houses? Or was it just people of kind of like mind?
Marilyn Anthony [00:27:34] Yes, the development. Yeah, I like it. Their original purpose probably was good, but, but- Well, they just didn’t do us any favors here, really.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:27:49] Did people push back?
Marilyn Anthony [00:27:52] No, they just kind of didn’t fight about it. That was the problem. They would have maybe given him a little argument about it, maybe it wouldn’t have been, but they didn’t.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:28:08] I’ve heard about the Near West Neighbors In Action, which, from what I’ve read, kind of sounds like a group that split from the block club association before they were the redevelopment corporation, but they kind of sounded like they, they tried to keep things? [crosstalk]
Marilyn Anthony [00:28:29] They did, they tried. They did. They tried. It eventually got- You know, you don’t see anybody that used to live there, there, because they just can’t afford it anymore. I still like to go down in the old neighborhood, because you walk through the streets. And I remember the library the way it was. I remember the schools the way they were. I remember when there was a, St. Patrick’s School was torn down. I made my first communion in St. Patrick’s school, church there, and I could picture the school there. And the convent used to be next to it. And then they had two houses that were owned by the church in the corner, which I guess are no longer there. The Catholic club out there in the front of Bridge was. Was always there has been since. Either with the church or shortly after the church was built. They had that, too.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:29:34] How did the library change?
Marilyn Anthony [00:29:38] It was old-fashioned. They revamped it and made some rooms. The rooms downstairs connected to the outside, and they made a ramp on the outside, tore that all down. And that, cosmetic. Basically, the structure of the place is the way it is. They just put new outside openings, entrances, and revamped the way you got in there. Used to, you know, there was a little staircase and a little door, but then made a big wide entrance in that, on either side of the library there.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:30:17] Do you remember while the neighborhood was changing to that, what you call people were getting the Ohio City perspective, which is what you called it when I talked to you before. Do you remember what the politician, if the politicians had a response to things, I mean, what was the feeling from, [interruption] hi, come back and talk to you later about when I start the recording again.
Marilyn Anthony [00:30:48] Okay.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:30:50] Um, do you remember, and I could be wrong about this, was it Kucinich who was mayor at the time? Do you remember any of the responses?
Marilyn Anthony [00:30:57] Oh, Kucinich, the little boy mayor, the little joke of Cleveland. He basically- I don’t think he’s really changed. Yeah, he was. He was in there a couple administrations ago and he just- Yeah, they sat on the street corners and joked about him.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:31:25] Was there a response from them, though, about the- I mean, did they support the changes that were going on in that neighborhood? Do you remember?
Marilyn Anthony [00:31:33] They just didn’t fight with them. I don’t know that they were so supportive of it because we liked it the way it was. We liked 25th Street the way it was. We liked the library being the way it was. We liked our old neighborhood with the Gypsies running around and the violins and that, and the little taverns where you could go with your market bags. We liked that the way it was. We liked that the way it was. But nobody fought that much, you know, the name of progress and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But myself, I miss all the old things. I miss the feed and seed store and I miss the old, the old, the little tavern, the dancing Gypsies and with the violins and all that. You could eat your little sandwich and watch them dance and that. The park used to be- They used to have little, little shows down there. Not shows, but little dancing groups and things like that. Went to the little park across the street. That was different because the market house used to extend its stands across the street where the park is now. And so there wasn’t much, much of a deal in there. And they used to go, but there used to be benches, and you could sit there and throw bread to the pigeons and watch them all come down and eat and that. The old fellows used to do that. Winos used to be in the park, too.
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:33:09] I guess we should wrap up. But do you, is there anything else you want- Any other recollections you would like to share? Anything else that you want to?
Marilyn Anthony [00:33:21] As an older person, I understand why the older person fight changed now [laughs] because some of it’s then I guess the younger people enjoy it. But I really don’t see that it’s upgraded. Okay, it’s upgraded, but we’re not real thrilled with it because it was more fun when it was not upgraded, it was a more- It was a friendlier neighborhood. It was a closer neighborhood. It was where you could go and talk to your friends and have a beer, if that was your- And personally, I don’t drink beer, but I like to be in there anyway, just for the atmosphere, just to eat my sandwich, because you could eat, you could have lunch there at these places, and you could spend all day at the market house there and out in the outside market talking and all that. And you met friends there and that. It just kind of went away. Giant Tiger was up the street. That was a store, affordable store. And then, of course, Freezing Chilies was our- Across on the other side of the street was our classier store. We could go over there for, if we wanted to really play it up a little bit here. But in the flower shop and the ice creqm stand, we had a Dairy Dell, too. And you can stop and get an ice cream cone. The little, little things that make life nicer. These things I miss. If the younger people enjoy the new things, which I don’t see that they do. I really don’t. But these kinds of things are what I miss. It made life enjoyable for me or my neighbors. I was young then, too, so I can say for the younger people. [laughs]
Emma Yanoshik-Wing [00:35:22] Well, thank you very much.
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