Lois Aaron is 91 and has lived in Shaker Tower since 1998. Lois grew up in Cleveland but spent a number of years living in New Hampshire where she worked at Dartmouth College and ran an inn with her husband. In this interview Lois talks about living in Shaker Tower and describes some of the people that she knew when she moved in. Lois also relates some of the memories she had growing up in Cleveland prior to moving to NH. Of particular interest is her involvement in League of Women Voters and the active role she played in keeping the freeway out of Shaker Heights along with her professional life where she worked for World Publishing Co. and contributed to multiple books including a biography of Dorothy Fuldheim.


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Aaron, Lois (interviewee)


Gibans, Nina (interviewer)


Shaker Towers



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Oral History


27 minutes


Lois Aaron [00:00:01] So I'm a donor here. Right.

Nina Gibans [00:00:09] Seems like they've been working on this forever.

Lois Aaron [00:00:13] It's been a while, hasn't it...A couple of years anyway.

Nina Gibans [00:00:16] It has...It has been. It has been. I've learned things...

Lois Aaron [00:00:24] Wait a minute.

Nina Gibans [00:00:28] ...You wouldn't believe

Lois Aaron [00:00:31] We got our water bill for you. Well, all I did was sign my name there. Okay.

Nina Gibans [00:00:43] Thanks.

Lois Aaron [00:00:45] Here's the back of it.

Nina Gibans [00:00:47] Terrific.

Nina Gibans [00:00:50] Well, so you are Lois Aaron?

Lois Aaron [00:00:54] I am Lois Aaron, indeed, and I grew up about two and a half miles, I think, down Coventry on Edgehill Road. So this isn't exactly old, I mean new territory and...

Nina Gibans [00:01:11] So how long have you been here?

Lois Aaron [00:01:14] Well, I came back to Cleveland. I left Cleveland in 1967. And my husband and I ran an inn in New Hampshire. And then we had other various jobs. And I was working at Dartmouth College for the business school I ran, did a magazine for them. And my daughter here got sick. And she had two little boys after she was 40 and she had... came down with breast cancer. So I came back to Cleveland and they had lived in South Overlook, but then they moved. And so then I moved. I had lived. I had stayed down in that other towers, Waldorf Towers. Is that what its called? Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:02:03] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:02:04] And I came here because I decided it was better to live in a condominium than where the rents were going up and up.

Nina Gibans [00:02:14] Right. So this must have been...

Lois Aaron [00:02:16] This was in about '98 that... I think. I've been here at least 12 years... 13 years. Right.

Nina Gibans [00:02:25] All right.

Lois Aaron [00:02:26] So...

Nina Gibans [00:02:27] You know people here?

Nina Gibans [00:02:28] I knew. Well, I knew Joanne and I knew Jimmy and Beth Hoffman. And I knew... I didn't know that Taffy was here but, I mean, of course I knew her. And I knew Anne Cobus, I don't remember what Anne's married name was...

Lois Aaron [00:02:46] Bassett.

Nina Gibans [00:02:47] Bassett, of course. She was an old family member. And I think she died shortly after I moved in. I remember talking to her. She never wanted me to come to see her. But we were old friends.

Nina Gibans [00:02:58] When she was ill.

Lois Aaron [00:03:00] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:03:01] Well, she was active. She was the president of the board--

Lois Aaron [00:03:05] I know she was.

Nina Gibans [00:03:06] --at one point.

Lois Aaron [00:03:07] Right.

Nina Gibans [00:03:07] And she probably felt very good about it.

Nina Gibans [00:03:13] So she welcomed me, but she didn't want me to come to see her. So she must've been.

Nina Gibans [00:03:19] Because she was so ill.

Lois Aaron [00:03:22] But and I knew Christopher [laughs] who ran the garage, right?

Nina Gibans [00:03:28] Right. Chris Pollard.

Lois Aaron [00:03:30] Chris Pollard.

Nina Gibans [00:03:32] Who's been here for 40 years.

Lois Aaron [00:03:32] Yeah. And he.

Nina Gibans [00:03:34] And you knew him. Tell me about that.

Lois Aaron [00:03:39] He was the only black boy in our kindergarten class. And...

Nina Gibans [00:03:45] This was Coventry School?

Lois Aaron [00:03:46] This was Coventry School, the first year of the new kindergarten. It was you know, it was wonderful. It's wonderful going into a new school and I remember that big sunny room, which is no longer and but I do remember Chris Pollard and this is a funny story. The reason I remember him so vividly is because we were... We had an experiment of making butter and we shook a bottle of cream until it turned into butter. And then we all had it on crackers and went home for... to go home. And my mother said, Lois, you smell terrible, what happened to you? And I said, oh, well, we had this treat in kindergarten and Christopher got [sick]. That's why I remember the name, Chris. I didn't know anybody else named Christopher, but that was funny. He got sick and I was right next to him. I never told him that story.

Nina Gibans [00:04:51] You never told him story?

Lois Aaron [00:04:52] No. No, I don't think so.

Nina Gibans [00:04:53] He is very proud of being here.

Lois Aaron [00:04:55] Yeah. Oh, I'm sure.

Nina Gibans [00:04:57] He has told us a lot of the older stories about the beginnings. And when it went through to Van Aken and when he, you know, with Toyce[?], managed the garage and took care... He knew where everybody was.

Lois Aaron [00:05:19] Yeah. Yeah. He was very good.

Nina Gibans [00:05:22] When they weren't here also. So that he could call doctors and that's what he told us.

Lois Aaron [00:05:29] Well, we you know, we still have people like that. I had Tyrone doing something for me the other day. And you said, I wonder how Mrs. Siegel is... I got to call Mrs. Siegel, you know, she had surgery, so.

Nina Gibans [00:05:47] But, you know, other people at Coventry who you already knew here?

Lois Aaron [00:05:52] Well, I know Taffy and there was a... I knew Jimmy Hoffman; I grew up with his older sister. So I knew him very well. And Joanne and I have, you know, as we say, we started kindergarten together and we've always kept in touch over the years, you know. There are certain friends you can pick up with wherever and whenever. So that's a great friendship.

Nina Gibans [00:06:25] And Taffy [unintelligible].

Lois Aaron [00:06:27] Well, and Taffy was, you know, she was a character. And as you know, it's wonderful. She's had a big business success in this.

Nina Gibans [00:06:36] Do you see all of them in the building? Do you–

Lois Aaron [00:06:39] I see Taffy occasionally, yeah. I mean, I keep in touch with her, and you know.

Nina Gibans [00:06:45] But I know you see, Joanne.

Lois Aaron [00:06:46] I see Joanne, I see the Hoffmanns.

Nina Gibans [00:06:50] So how has the building changed since you came? Has it changed?

Lois Aaron [00:06:59] Well. You know, everything's changed because of the money situation, I think. But. No, I... When I moved in on this floor. I had two black neighbors. I think I never knew the people... Well, I think it was Tyler. Remember them, Ralph? Ralph was his name? Ralph. I think he was ill when I moved in. And then there was a young couple here. The Johnsons. Remember them? Ken? Ken was an engineer for the city and they were good friends and good company and they helped me when a bird got into the building, into the, you know, somewhere. [cross talk] They got it out. I'm not good with birds inside. [laughs]

Nina Gibans [00:08:01] Birds are not pets?

Lois Aaron [00:08:03] Well, not when they'd rather be outside.

Nina Gibans [00:08:07] Right. So, of the experiences that you've had while you've lived here though–

Lois Aaron [00:08:14] Oh, I'll tell you a funny experience I had because I had lived in northern New Hampshire for a long time. And actually, when I was widowed, I did move into a condominium there that had been in a place in Hanover that was known when my husband went to college was known as Skunk Hollow. And occasionally you knew when they built condominiums, it was changed to Brook Hollow. And one of the first things I remember... Well, it couldn't have been... I can't remember when it was the first time I opened the windows anyway, and I smelled skunk and I thought it's ridiculous. On the ninth floor you're going to smell skunk? And I called down in the garage, I can't remember. And they said, oh, yes you can! [laughs] And I just was so surprised because I had remembered, you know, very often smelling skunk.

Nina Gibans [00:09:16] Have you done much in the gardens?

Lois Aaron [00:09:19] I'm a big admirer. I come down. I go down often and I walk through the gardens. I have a little back trouble and shoulder trouble and that sort of thing. So I haven't been a gardener, but I used to write about the gardens for a little newsletter and...

Nina Gibans [00:09:38] As a matter of fact, you've written some really nice pieces for the newspaper over the years. [cross talk] You enjoyed that?

Lois Aaron [00:09:47] Yes. I've enjoyed that. And I've met... You know I liked interviewing people that had moved in and got to know them that way. Write articles about them. So that was fun. And I've been...

Nina Gibans [00:10:07] That used your writing skills?

Lois Aaron [00:10:09] Well, as they are, yeah. Right now, I'm just trying to focus on doing what I have to do. At 91 or almost 92 to just get through with things that have to be done. The daughter that I moved here to relieve when her kids were growing up has since had a stroke and isn't quite the same person that she was. And so that's... It's been sort of a turnabout tale where she's down at Judson and I'm up here. So that's–

Nina Gibans [00:11:03] That's interesting because Judson, of course... A lot of people that were here–

Lois Aaron [00:11:05] Oh, yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:11:06] –are down there.

Lois Aaron [00:11:06] Right. Right.

Lois Aaron [00:11:11] And it's not a situation that I'm happy about, but I'm happy I'm as well as I am. So...

[00:11:24] Do you know the history of the building?

Lois Aaron [00:11:26] Oh, yeah. I mean, I knew... Well, I knew Mr. Shane's daughter-in-law, I guess. I guess Terry was his daughter-in-law. And I knew, you know, I've known people, I think the parents of one old boyfriend of mine moved... were in here. [laughs] In fact I've got to write to his daughter and tell her that. Diane is the one that remembers everybody. [cross talk] Oh, yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:12:17] She was amazing because she was difficult as a teenager.

Lois Aaron [00:12:18] Really?

Nina Gibans [00:12:18] Well, she's been here since the beginning... [inaudible].

Lois Aaron [00:12:32] When did you come? When did you and Jim move in?

Nina Gibans [00:12:35] We moved in twenty-seven years ago. It seems like yesterday. But we always lived very close by.

Lois Aaron [00:12:43] Well, I know you were in Onaway school district, weren't you?

Nina Gibans [00:12:47] Yes.

Lois Aaron [00:12:48] Yeah, so were we but evidently we didn't have kids the same ages.

Nina Gibans [00:12:53] Well, our children went to Onaway Junior High. Moreland. They did go over to Moreland. [unintellible] and graduated. This is the '50s now.

Lois Aaron [00:13:13] You know. My daughters graduated from... in '60... in the '60s, and my son came up to New Hampshire with us when he was 12 or 13, I guess, so...

Nina Gibans [00:13:26] It was an important moment in Shaker history–

Lois Aaron [00:13:30] Oh, yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:13:32] –and this was important to peace.

Lois Aaron [00:13:36] Right. Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:13:40] We keep finding out things and Charles Schulman, of course, has been here since the beginning. He has most of the records.

Lois Aaron [00:13:57] Yes, well...

Nina Gibans [00:13:57] So you were aware of the deed restrictions–.

Lois Aaron [00:14:00] Oh, yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:14:00] And were part of that whole scene.

Lois Aaron [00:14:00] Sure.

Lois Aaron [00:14:12] Well, I remember when the. The first family that moved on Van Aken. We were living on Chadbourne and I can't remember their names... White? I don't remember but be was the first black boy in Onaway and was a friend of my son's.

Nina Gibans [00:14:36] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:14:36] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:14:43] So that's the '50s?

Lois Aaron [00:14:44] In the '50s, right, yeah. We moved to Shaker in 1953, I think, and we left and then we moved up to New Hampshire in 1967 then we came back.

Nina Gibans [00:15:02] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:15:02] So.

Nina Gibans [00:15:03] Those were the years...

Lois Aaron [00:15:04] A lot of change.

Nina Gibans [00:15:06] The 1960s were certainly the years–.

Lois Aaron [00:15:06] Absolutely.

Nina Gibans [00:15:06] –that there was a lot of activity.

Lois Aaron [00:15:09] And the other thing I was active at the school. We had something called the Onaway Follies. I don't know if you remember. And I wrote words to a song. You went the wrong way, Henry Porter. Wasn't it? Oh, Albert Porter. Wasn't that his name?

Nina Gibans [00:15:32] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:15:32] And it's written... It's now on a little thing in the Nature Center [at Shaker Lakes]. You ever been there? They have–

Nina Gibans [00:15:40] You were part of saving–

Lois Aaron [00:15:42] Saving, yeah, well–

Nina Gibans [00:15:43] –the parkway?

Lois Aaron [00:15:44] I was anonymous. The only one who would remember that and would swear to what is my sister Marian. Everybody else died, you know, that was on the committee.

Nina Gibans [00:15:54] They all knew that.

Lois Aaron [00:15:54] Yeah, but that was, you know.

Nina Gibans [00:15:57] That was a piece of Shaker history–

Lois Aaron [00:16:00] Right.

Nina Gibans [00:16:04] –that [was] very important.

Lois Aaron [00:16:04] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:16:04] We were... [inaudible]

Lois Aaron [00:16:06] Yeah. We could have had. This would have been all torn up with the freeway. [laughs] I think of that every time I drive home from the airport.

Nina Gibans [00:16:16] Right. Literally–

Lois Aaron [00:16:16] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:16:17] –the woman saved the freeway.

Lois Aaron [00:16:20] Well, I think a lot of, a lot of wealthy Republicans did help too.

Nina Gibans [00:16:25] Oh, well, true. But the minutes of the meetings show how adamant everybody was about [cross talk] making sure it did not happen.

Lois Aaron [00:16:34] Yeah, I was very active in the League of Women Voters and Cindy Hamm and Kathy [Kathleen] Barber. And you know. And Barbara Rosten.

Nina Gibans [00:16:53] Joyce Wallace...

Lois Aaron [00:16:55] I remember when Joyce and Stuart came to Cleveland. Yeah. I do remember that.

Nina Gibans [00:17:04] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:17:07] Mmhmm. Yeah. So it's interesting. A lot of the people that...

Nina Gibans [00:17:11] Right have gravitated to this building.

Lois Aaron [00:17:17] Mmhmm.

Nina Gibans [00:17:17] So you're responsible for the ones who talked about coming here? Were you responsible for anybody–

Lois Aaron [00:17:25] –else coming here? No, no, I didn't. No, George and Connie. I didn't know George and Connie until they moved in, but they were... had been neighbors of Joanne's. I can't remember that I've been responsible for anybody else coming. I don't know... I don't think so.

Nina Gibans [00:18:00] The roles in the building itself. I know you've been part of communications committee, but have you done other things?

Lois Aaron [00:18:08] No. You know, occasionally hospitality. But...

Nina Gibans [00:18:15] This is a very hands-on building.

Lois Aaron [00:18:18] I know. Well, I don't garden. I as I say, I appreciate the gardens and, you know. Well, when something bothers me, I tell Jim. [laughs] You know.

Nina Gibans [00:18:36] You let everybody know.

Lois Aaron [00:18:37] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:18:39] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:18:39] Alright.

Nina Gibans [00:18:41] Anything else you want to tell us?

Lois Aaron [00:18:45] I really... We're going to check in with Bebe [Chase]... Jim [Dubelko], you're going to enjoy this environment because it's totally gardened inside and out, downstairs.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:00] Can I ask you some questions?

Lois Aaron [00:19:00] Sure.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:02] Are You Jewish?

Lois Aaron [00:19:03] Yes.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:04] And you said you came to Shaker Heights in '53?

Lois Aaron [00:19:07] Yes.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:08] You were subjected to any type of discrimination?

Lois Aaron [00:19:11] Where I lived? No.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:13] No. Where did you first live in Shaker Heights?

Lois Aaron [00:19:16] Oh, up on Chadbourne near Ashby.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:20] Okay. And the song you wrote, I've heard the story as the little old women with tennis shoes.

Lois Aaron [00:19:28] Yeah.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:28] That's how it's been.

Lois Aaron [00:19:29] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:19:30] Right in the minutes.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:32] Do you remember the song and how it goes?

Lois Aaron [00:19:34] What the song about. Oh, sure. You went through it. It was to a tune. I have a terrible voice.

Jim Dubelko [00:19:39] That's okay.

Lois Aaron [00:19:41] There was a song called You've Come a Long Way from St. Louis. Or You've Been a Long Way from St. Louis. And it was: [singing] You went the wrong way, Henry... Albert Porter. You thought you really... [stops singing] Well, it's on the wall in the Nature... at the Nature Center, but I can't remember. [sings again] You really thought we wouldn't mind, but we did... [stops singing] Or something. I can't remember...

Jim Dubelko [00:20:09] That's cute.

Lois Aaron [00:20:09] But I can't...

Jim Dubelko [00:20:13] Do you remember this building being built?

Lois Aaron [00:20:17] No, because this building was built in the '50s.

Nina Gibans [00:20:23] '58.

Lois Aaron [00:20:23] Let's see. I didn't move back here until the '90s. So...

Jim Dubelko [00:20:27] But you were living in Shaker Heights?

Lois Aaron [00:20:29] No, no, I was living in Hanover, New Hampshire then.

Jim Dubelko [00:20:32] Oh, well, the early '50s.

Lois Aaron [00:20:35] Yeah.

Jim Dubelko [00:20:35] Okay, so you came back to Shaker Heights–.

Lois Aaron [00:20:37] I came back...

Jim Dubelko [00:20:37] –in '53?

Lois Aaron [00:20:37] I came back to Cleveland because my daughter got cancer and she had little kids.

Jim Dubelko [00:20:44] Well, that was '67?

Lois Aaron [00:20:47] No, that was when I left. Sixty-seven was when we... A lot of people change their lives in the '60s, as you know. I remember being at a party with an age span of about 50 people, and we had all done something wildly ridiculous and – in the '60s – and my husband had gone to college at Dartmouth. He had been a camp counselor in New Hampshire. He always wanted to go back to New England and we ran an inn. Yeah. That was another thing we ran inn for three years.

Nina Gibans [00:21:24] Which inn?

Lois Aaron [00:21:25] Well, it's no longer an inn, I don't believe. It's called Dexter's. It was... Dexter Richards was the name of a...

Nina Gibans [00:21:32] In that...

Lois Aaron [00:21:33] In Sunapee, New Hampshire. And then I had... Before I left Cleveland, I was working on the... I had a master's degree in English, but I never wanted to teach because I can't write on the blackboard left-handed with anybody being able to read it. But I wrote... I worked for the Dictionary for World Publishing Company for about three years–.

Nina Gibans [00:22:00] For David Guralnik.

Lois Aaron [00:22:00] –for David Guralnik. And then I also worked for Bill Levinson, who used to be head of the school.

Nina Gibans [00:22:07] Right.

Lois Aaron [00:22:08] You know, he was a Sunday school teacher of mine and a wonderful Sunday school teacher. And I worked for him helping... he was then, had retired from Cleveland school system, and he was writing a book about education. In the '60s everybody was writing a book about education. And I helped, I was not... Until I got to New Hampshire, I wasn't very much of a feminist. But I did help him write two chapters in that book. I don't even have a copy of it. Oh, I also [laughs], and this is a funny tie with Dorothy Fuldheim. I was working for World Publishing and, in the dictionary branch, putting words in the dictionary like cliffhanger. That's, you know [laughs], I just remember things like that. And Will Zevin who ran... was running the company then called me and one day and said they wanted to do a biography of Dorothy Fuldheim. And she could write... I mean, she could talk, but she wasn't very good at writing. So she... I helped, from her notes.

Nina Gibans [00:23:27] Fun.

Lois Aaron [00:23:28] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:23:32] That must have been fun.

Lois Aaron [00:23:32] No, I never wanted to meet her.

Nina Gibans [00:23:35] But you did, when she was here, you know.

Lois Aaron [00:23:38] She wasn't here when...

Nina Gibans [00:23:40] Oh, right. She was gone.

Lois Aaron [00:23:41] She... And I remember when she died [cross talk].

Nina Gibans [00:23:43] I was wrong, the building was built '48 to '50.

Lois Aaron [00:23:48] '48 to '50. And then everybody came.

Jim Dubelko [00:23:52] One thing I hought about. You mentioned, that a boyfriend of yours,–

Lois Aaron [00:23:55] Yeah.

Jim Dubelko [00:23:56] –his parents lived in this building.

Lois Aaron [00:23:57] Yeah.

Jim Dubelko [00:23:57] I thought maybe you might have some memory of just the connection.

Lois Aaron [00:23:59] Oh no, I don't remember. I remember when they lived on Wicklow Road, but I don't remember. You know, they hadn't...This was you know, I mean, that was way back before World War... [laughs] World War II, anyway. I mean, I go way back. [laughs]

Nina Gibans [00:24:19] Those are fun stories.

Lois Aaron [00:24:20] Yeah. [laughs].

Nina Gibans [00:24:24] And we came back in the '60 from San Francisco. So that's when we lived on Warrington–

Lois Aaron [00:24:34] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:24:35] –because my sister was sick.

Lois Aaron [00:24:36] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I... We lived on Chadbourne. I loved it. I loved that neighborhood. It was a great neighborhood. We were there from '53 to '67. Is that right? About fourteen years.

Nina Gibans [00:24:57] Do you remember the address?

Lois Aaron [00:24:59] Yeah. 130... I was so worried that John would never be able to remember a five-digit address, you know.

Nina Gibans [00:25:05] So it was up in that section?

Lois Aaron [00:25:06] It was... Yeah. Was just past Ashby–

Nina Gibans [00:25:08] Right, right.

Lois Aaron [00:25:08] –where it curves around, yeah. In fact, every once in awhile I'll drive down the place you're not supposed to drive down anymore 'cause, you know [laughs], that was my street.

Nina Gibans [00:25:22] Beautiful street.

Lois Aaron [00:25:22] Yeah. Yeah. They the people that bought my house are... The people that live there now who have a much better garden than we did. But we had a... My husband was wonderful at building... He was a repressed architect and he was great at building. And he built the kids a treehouse in an apple tree that isn't there anymore and a slide to go down, to come down. So many memories. Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:25:58] The Friedbergs live there?

Lois Aaron [00:25:59] Hmm?

Nina Gibans [00:25:59] Friebergs?

Lois Aaron [00:26:01] Friedbergs? Don and–

Nina Gibans [00:26:03] Don and Janet.

Lois Aaron [00:26:04] Don and Janet? Oh, yes. And they came and saw us at the inn. Yeah. In fact, I never called. I don't think Janet was still alive when I can't remember when she died.

Nina Gibans [00:26:16] Janet's living.

Lois Aaron [00:26:17] Is she?

Nina Gibans [00:26:19] I've seen her.

Lois Aaron [00:26:21] Oh, I believe you. [laughs] I thought...

Nina Gibans [00:26:25] Because she's a good friend of my sister.

Lois Aaron [00:26:26] Yeah. Well, tell her I didn't... Where does she live now?

Nina Gibans [00:26:32] Jan, where does she live? Well, you know, they spent years on a boat.

Lois Aaron [00:26:37] That's right.

Nina Gibans [00:26:38] Her and Don went all over the world on a boat.

Lois Aaron [00:26:42] Yeah.

Nina Gibans [00:26:42] I'm not exactly sure where they live. But they don't live up there anymore. They don't live on Chadbourne.

Lois Aaron [00:26:50] Yeah, well, I had a lot of good neighbors on Chadbourne. Most of them are gone. Anyway.

Nina Gibans [00:27:02] Fun, fun, fun.

Lois Aaron [00:27:05] Yeah, it's good, yeah. Yeah, I have good memories of this area.

Nina Gibans [00:27:09] Oh, I am glad we caught up with you.

Lois Aaron [00:27:11] I am too.

Nina Gibans [00:27:12] Good.

Lois Aaron [00:27:13] It's fine. I hope nobody doing...

Nina Gibans [00:27:16] Are you okay?

Jim Dubelko [00:27:17] Yeah.

Lois Aaron [00:27:17] Great.

Jim Dubelko [00:27:20] Finished?

Nina Gibans [00:27:20] Yeah, think so.

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